Olive Crane is running a slate of candidates against the PC Party executive knowing that she will lose on the leadership review vote held on November 3. Her plan is to use the executive to delay the leadership review balloting in a shameful effort to subvert the democratic process.

Olive's slate of anti-democratic candidates are:

Blake "PNP Moneybags" Doyle for President
Michael "My numbered company was set up to receive PNP units" Drake for Vice President
Charles Blue (who is already Secretary) to keep his post as a staunch Olive person.
Ryan Pineau to be challenged by someone TBD. Olive is having difficulty finding an accountant who doesn't have a spine.

Is there a point?
Is someone a stooge because they support their leader?

Was it always the plan to replace Crane since their last leadership convention? Is this being done at the AGM precisely because it will be less attended and less publicized? Or was there something that made the shadow council have a turn of heart?

Political leaders are always expected to resign or seek a new mandate after they lose an election. Olive lost and now she neither resigned nor is willing to seek a new mandate. She's conducting herself as if she is a monarch instead of a politician in a democracy. Rubs people the the wrong way. Makes us wonder what kind of premier she would be if she can't respect democratic principles.

Political leaders aren't always expected to resign or seek a new mandate after an election. If they perform better than expected during an election, they usually get to carry on as leader. I'm not sure what you mean when you say she can't respect democratic principles. That's ridiculous.

Who defines the expectations, Craiger?

Olive's trick has been rather foolish so far. She said if her poll numbers didn't improve by the next AGM she'd resign (obviously she knows she's supposed to, so I don't know why you're disagreeing with a reality that Olive herself admitted publicly). Now, in the lead up to the AGM where we're all supposed to be expecting her resignation - as she said would happen - she's telling us that 24% in the polls is a good result.

24% isn't a good result. She should abide by her own promise and resign.

What polls are you referring to that show no improvement for the conservatives?

Well you got me on the first tread.

I somewhat believed you that the was something up within the party that might be interesting.But the more you posted the less sense it made.
Now this ,this make you look like a conspiracy theorist.

From what I recall, it seems like Olive has always said she doesn't pay attention to polls. So it seems strange that she would make that promise. When did she make this promise?

At the PC AGM in March 2012 in Summerside Olive said... (this isn't an exact quote because I'm going by memory) 'I know what the polls are showing and I'm here to tell you all today that I understand what must happen if we're still in the same place by the next AGM.' It was understood by most people at the AGM that Olive was saying if she didn't significantly improve that she would resign. Now she's putting on a full court press to argue that the polling numbers are good and that everyone should be impressed.

She's dropped from 29% (her all time high) down to mid 20s. This is the CRA poll (Raiders). Olive has gone from 29% approval December 2010 to 19% June 2011 to 26% September 2012. (There are more results because CRA polls are done every 3 months, but you get the idea).

I have the CRA poll results as a PDF but I don't know how to post them here. If someone can explain it (or if there is a site admin email I can send it to?) I'd be happy to share that with you Raiders.

The CRA poll results show an increase for the conservatives between August 2011 and 2012.
At least according to CBC.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-ed ... l-584.html

First of all, if they had an AGM in March 2012, and AGM stands for ANNUAL General Meeting, why are they meeting now? Lets be honest, the numbers in 2010 were just the party trying to show solidarity after a somewhat bitter leadership convention. Secondly, in the last 16 months, she has seen an increase in support of 7% when the back room of her own party doesn't support her. That means that 7% is either former other party support, or undecideds. Those win elections on PEI. Imagine what her numbers would be if the Jason Lees et al got behind her.

Did Ghiz resign or have to seek a new mandate when he lost his first election as Liberal leader....or mabe his party just offered up some support as he gained seats from the previous result.

Good God Lost Sole I have to agree with you on this one.

IslandGuy with all his threads is starting to look like he might be one the 4 or 5 backstabbing PNP players who are out to get Olive.

This nothing but an attempt by silver spoon Jason Lee and his 4-5 cohorts who are want power so bad they will do anything for it to get rid of the duly elected leader Olive.


Hopefully...and most likely they will lose in their attempt and they will be forever(or at least for 10 years or more) shunned so much so that when someone mentions Jim Lee the former premier everyone will think about what his son tried to do the then leader of the party.

Its politics, doesn't really matter if she gets taken down from the front or behind her back. If I was a staunch Tory on PEI, I would also be doing anything I could to bring her down.

She cannot lead the PCs to power.

Why?

Because she has done nothing to re-energize the PC Party, she has no new or fresh ideas, and given the abysmal performance of the government, she hasn't been effective at all. She is the best thing the Liberals have going for them.

So who in the PC party has fresh ideas and what are they?
If they have them then why are they not sharing them with their leader?

4 or 5 people, huh? Looks like 71% of the entire Progressive Conservative machine from Tignish to Souris, children!

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2012-10-27/article-3108576/Crane-has-to-go%2C-PC-survey-says/1