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 Post subject: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
PostPosted: August 7th, 2012, 1:17 pm 
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This was on the "Welcome" FAQ of a discussion board I joined a few months ago. Given the current controvesey on peiinfo, it seemed appropos to post it and learn from it :D

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Conspiracy theorists

AKA 'conspiraloons', 'tinfoil hatters', 'loonspuds', 'fruit'n'nut jobs' etc.

We often suffer obsessive conspiracy theorists or (guffaw) 'truth seekers' filling up our boards with fact-free claims, evidence-untroubled epilogues and vast reams of tedious cut'n'paste, invariably regurgitated from some dubious internet site.

We hope this information will be of use if you encounter a conspiraloon while on our boards.

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10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists


1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for the government, etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for précis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

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Psychologists propose that conspiracy theorists have a need to blame “boogymen” for everything bad because that way they can then blame “boogymen” for the failures in their own lives rather than placing the blame where it belongs. They also crave the attention (good or bad) that their theories draw because they receive so little attention in their real lives (in this way, they are similar to trolls).

So if you encounter a conspiraloon on our boards, your best bet is to silently give them your pity and move along to another topic. Don’t waste electrons arguing with them or trying to introduce facts to the discussion because you’ll just end up getting frustrated and saying something you shouldn’t. Don’t let them ruin your experience on our boards.


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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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So if you encounter a conspiraloon on our boards, your best bet is to silently give them your pity and move along to another topic. Don’t waste electrons arguing with them or trying to introduce facts to the discussion because you’ll just end up getting frustrated and saying something you shouldn’t. Don’t let them ruin your experience on our boards.


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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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So if you encounter a conspiraloon on our boards, your best bet is to silently give them your pity and move along to another topic. Don’t waste electrons arguing with them or trying to introduce facts to the discussion because you’ll just end up getting frustrated and saying something you shouldn’t. Don’t let them ruin your experience on our boards.


That's been my approach :)

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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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Islander16 wrote:

Psychologists propose that conspiracy theorists have a need to blame “boogymen” for everything bad because that way they can then blame “boogymen” for the failures in their own lives rather than placing the blame where it belongs. They also crave the attention (good or bad) that their theories draw because they receive so little attention in their real lives (in this way, they are similar to trolls).

So if you encounter a conspiraloon on our boards, your best bet is to silently give them your pity and move along to another topic. Don’t waste electrons arguing with them or trying to introduce facts to the discussion because you’ll just end up getting frustrated and saying something you shouldn’t. Don’t let them ruin your experience on our boards.
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I take responsibility for my actions good or bad there is always consequences to you actions. I have no need to blame others for where i am, was or will be.
Oh trust me i get too much attention from some people. I am loved by many of my friends,co workers and bosses. :D I like to leave an impression lol
I don't need want or want to acquire anyone's sympathy unless some one in my family of friends had died.
You can't face the elephant in the room you problem not mine.

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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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saherbal wrote:
You can't face the elephant in the room you problem not mine.



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1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for the government, etc.


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Given the current controvesey on peiinfo,
What is the current controversy?


Behaviour like above turned me off of the Alex Jones community and conspiracy theory in general for a long time. Since finding the Peace Revolution podcast at Tragedy and Hope the integrity of conspiracy theory has, imho, been restored.

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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
PostPosted: August 8th, 2012, 12:21 pm 
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Raiders wrote:
saherbal wrote:
You can't face the elephant in the room you problem not mine.



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1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for the government, etc.

Oh not arrogant,not by a long shot quite humble as a matter of fact. I take time to smell the roses,see the due on wildlife in the morning and appreciate it for what it's purpose is.
There is alot I don't know so i ask questions. I always have questions haven't you noticed that?

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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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saherbal wrote:
I always have questions haven't you noticed that?


Not really.
Your questions are generated by conspiracy theory sites. Not all questions are equal. Some questions don't need to be asked because the answer is blatantly obvious. The question is only asked to create doubt.


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PostPosted: August 8th, 2012, 12:58 pm 
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Raiders wrote:
saherbal wrote:
I always have questions haven't you noticed that?


Not really.
Your questions are generated by conspiracy theory sites. Not all questions are equal. Some questions don't need to be asked because the answer is blatantly obvious. The question is only asked to create doubt.
Well if witnesses see 2 people shooting other people that question begs to be asked how do they come up with a lone shooter.

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 Post subject: Re: 10 Characteristics Of Conspiracy Theorists
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saherbal wrote:
Well if witnesses see 2 people shooting other people that question begs to be asked how do they come up with a lone shooter.


They do it by doing actual police work and determining that the witnesses are incorrect.
People say lots of things. The mind can play many tricks when a mass murderer is shooting off round after round after round and people are running and screaming and jumping over each other.
What they don't do is wait for some whack job conspiracy site to make that determination for them.


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