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 Post subject: Mobs of teenagers threaten business and customers
PostPosted: March 21st, 2005, 5:54 pm 
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Another crazy story!
Teens threatening the Noodle House owner and customers of the retaurant. Other businesses said they have had problems too.

Now these kids are on March break having a great time, now wouldn't this ruin their fun when mom or dad rips the xbox off the table and sends the little gangster to his room.


Link: CBC PEI story.


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Whenever you hear about kids acting up like this on PEI, a huge part of the problem is that they're bored and there's sweet f**k all for them to do.

Not that is excuses the behavior by any means, but it's still a motive nonetheless.

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That area has had problems with rowdy high schoolers on their lunch breaks for years -- but this is really sickening!

Again, the PEI government is trying to encourage immigrants to come and start businesses. This couple came to the Island only 13 years ago from China. Since they're running a small restaurant, you can rest assured that they've been working their butts off since arriving, trying to keep ahead of the bills. And now they're just about ready to sell their business and hit the road because of the idiocy and arrogance of these little shits!


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"....Whenever you hear about kids acting up like this on PEI, a huge part of the problem is that they're bored and there's sweet f**k all for them to do. ..."


Nonsense - that's just a dumb excuse.

Teenagers here do the same damn things that teenagers do in Montreal, Toronto and Calgary.

Go to school, goof off at noon, go to movies, experiment with drugs and alcohol, get a part-time job at a fast food place, explore relationships with the opposite sex, play sports, go to dances, hang out at the mall, stuff like that.

Why in the world would it be different here?

Felt bad listening to that Chinese man, the owner the the Noodle House, the place being under siege, that he can no longer sleep at night - the little f**k*rs are ruining his business.

Disgusting!

AND THERE ARE NO EXCUSES!

Cst Richard Collins was telling us next-to-nothing on the radio this problem, when discussing the 'issue' of 'behavioral problems', as he put it....Charlottetown police are busy 'videotaping the perpetrators' he said....how sweet!

RICHARD, GRAB A BUNCH OF THE LITTLE CREEPS AND THROW THEM IN THE PADDY WAGON FOR A 'VISIT' TO THE POLICE STATION, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!

Do your job, dammit!

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I don't know what ever kept us out of trouble if the kids of today are finding time to be bored!!

They got TOO much to do these days, and I think that is what is contributing to the problem. They just don't know where to start with it all.

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A lot of the kids who do these things have no supervision... their parents just aren't around... so they can do whatever they want, and there are no consequences... especially when the cops won't do anything either... try to help these kids to get away from this kind of activity... and suddenly the cops are questioning you... you're the criminal... that's some system, I"m telling you....

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when i first arrived on PEI i noticed kids wondering around the streets during lunch hours and was shocked.

im used to schools being "closed" campus. i still find it odd not to have the intermediate kids kept at school during the whole day.

there really should be some control over the kids during this time of day IMO. dont have to serve up a "sit down" meal at lunch...but have some sort of food service for them to access. fence in the school yard and they can hang out with in the parimeters of the school. yeah it sounds like jail...but its school. when at school...you are at school...thats where the kids should be. not wondering the streets at lunch time.

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A 30 minute lunch would do it. I can see an adult needing an hour but why would a kid need an hour long lunch? When I went there were no cafeterias so you had to take a lunch, go to Dairy Queen or the deli in the Oaktree mall.

Also, the teachers could probably arrange it so they each get an hour off while the kids got 30 minutes.

I remember when I went to school most of the lunch hour was spent wandering around, like kids do now. It was boring! Most kids could eat a meal in one minute.


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I recall all sorts of really brainless behaviour when I was a teen. The worst of it, back in the '70s, was an epidemic of drunk driving. I don't know if my memory of it makes it seem much worse -- but there always seemed to be all these terrible crashes involving carloads of completely drunk teenagers. Since then the coppers have cracked down on the Island, as elsewhere. (But how much can a handful of mounties do on all those stretches of rural road?)

However, a teacher I know (who's about my age and remembers well all the stupid things our generation did) says she's watched kids' discipline steadily erode in her 25 years of teaching. I ask her if she's just getting old and crotchety like me -- and she says, hell no, the kids are subject only to kid-glove discipline. They know their "punishment" will be a joke, and they're not afraid to tell her. They sass her to her face and act like a bunch of thugs. She blames a school system that has really lost its way, and she's fed up trying to convince her superiors (and parents) that there has to be real punishment and real discipline.

Now I know that a lot of people complain about their jobs and superiors and lay the blame on the "system." But I can vouch for this person as a very responsible, dedicated educator -- somebody who loves to teach and is just about the nicest, most patient and reasonable person I've ever known. She's hoping things will change soon -- but she's not holding her breath. Why doesn't she quit, you ask? That's pretty much where she's headed.


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Everybody knows what the trouble is with kids - everybody has an answer, but the problem doesn't go away. What's wrong? Maybe the problem is not with the kids, but with society as a whole. Kids have become useless.


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now wouldn't this ruin their fun when mom or dad rips the xbox off the table and sends the little gangster to his room.




It'll never happen. Parents don't take the X-box away because the X-box is the babysitter. Parents are too busy to bother with their kids.

I agree with what somebody said earlier. Kids shouldn't be allowed to venture off school property during lunch or recess. Hell, I'm even an advocate for bringing in school uniforms! The stricter the structure, the better.


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In lots of other parts of the country they've really cracked down on bullying, fighting, and general misbehaviour. That can seem pretty harsh sometimes, with kids getting expelled from school for relatively minor infractions under a "zero tolerance" policy, but it does prevent the school system from becoming a zoo. It's not just the rowdy kids who are getting cheated out of an education -- the kids who would rather be studying are having their education disrupted in a classroom that is an endless goofball circus.

Again, I think the Island should be finding it a lot easier to educate these kids. In a big-city classroom, half the students (literally, according to statistics) don't have English as a first language. A big-city education system has to put a lot of its resources into getting those kids up to speed in their new language. Island kids, who are getting such dismal performance scores, have a big advantage in living in a small, homogeneous place where almost everybody speaks English.

My older relatives learned to write impeccably after a very few years in a tiny, freezing one-room schoolhouse. Back then when educators complained about the need for more "resources" they'd be lucky to get a new Eaton's catalogue for the outhouse.

My teacher friend says a huge part of the problem is that many in the profession are fanatically loyal to their warm-fuzzy teaching model (even though it's been a big, fat failure). She also complains that a lot of parents place very little value on education and simply want their kids to get a diploma with the least amount of fuss. They won't stand for their kids being pushed around by some know-it-all teacher.


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Hell, I'm even an advocate for bringing in school uniforms!


Me too!

As someone who moved as a teenager from an area where schools had no dress code to an area where school uniforms were required, I have some firsthand knowledge of their value.

Cliques were much less evident. You had no idea who was the son/daughter of a labourer or welfare recipient and who was the son/daughter of a doctor or corporate vice-president. You learned to like or dislike a person based upon who they were, not on their appearance. The uniforms also promoted school pride ... you did not dishonour your school while in uniform (from the time you left for school to the time you returned home) or you faced the wrath of your peers.

And from the parental perspective, more money could be allocated to the fees for your child's various organized out-of-school activities because the money wasn't being spent on your child's ever-changing "trendy"wardrobe ... and more organized activities equaled less bored children. I was never bored as a teenager because my parents were able to keep me (and my siblings) involved in many after-school activities.


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Okay, there's a new story in the Guardian today about the Noodle House.

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/

It is absolutely disgusting that this couple who've worked so hard -- and by all accounts are very nice -- are at the point where they just want to sell their business.

This idiocy has been going on for years, and now it's nothing but a game for huge numbers of students. The kids show up constantly, in big mobs, and disrupt the restaurant and then threaten the owner and the customers when they are confronted.

The middle-aged owner just had four of these teenaged idiots "invite" him to "fight" -- nice odds. Typical of the behaviour of the worst sort of bullying coward.


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Perhaps what is needed here, is a vigilante group of 200 parents to show up at lunch time and kick butt?


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Perhaps what is needed here, is a vigilante group of 200 parents to show up at lunch time and kick butt?


:shock: I was just thinking the same thing :lol:


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Perhaps what is needed here, is a vigilante group of 200 parents to show up at lunch time and kick butt?


It would take quite a bit fewer than 200 adults to snuff out this trouble, and there'd be no need for violence. A group of 10 adults, and a couple of digital cameras, and the willingness to get involved would suffice.

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I wish the owners wouldn't quit and leave, I'd hate to see them go over something as stupid as this. They must be tough people to come here, open a business in the middle of nowhere and put up with the local idiots.

If I was to move to some other country I think I'd be quite intimidated by the locals and I would probably just give in. Throw in a different culture, language and other factors and I know I'd cave.

The store seems to be busier or it may just be my imagination. I use to think it was closed, no one ever went there. I don't think there is even any review of it in the Restaurant Review section. It would be nice if people went there to let them know most people here are normal.

What are their hours of operation?


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I have a simple solution to all of this folks....the school authorities should hereby pass a new law saying that ALL students are forbidden from entering the grounds of the Noodle House during school hours. They are off-limits, and if anybody is caught breaking the ban, then they could face either detention or suspension. It's so simple. It's a basic thing called D-I-S-C-I-P-L-I-N-E! I can tell you this, if my parents ever heard of me hurling s#!t at a snow window my ass would've been grass.

Lay down the law, and lay it down firmly. That's all these little buggers will ever understand.

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The little bastards raising hell and vandalising business'es in Charlottetown?. This is a problem?? Where are the cops?

Sweet jesus, try tossing some rocks, snowballs, harrassing customers on Rideau Street in Ottawa while attending a downtown Ottawa High School., bet you the local cops there would have the gumption to put a stop to it.

Of course they aren't drunk , passing phoney currency or whacking off to kiddy porn. One wonders why immigrants consider PEI a backwater.


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