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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 24th, 2015, 5:59 pm 
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Nomie wrote:
And all you do is complain and ask us to explain ourselves, yet you don't explain your statements. Now that Yesitsme has described the obvious how about you do the same. He showed you his, now instead of complain and put down his statement without any reason, show us yours.


Show you my what?
What statement have I made requires any sort of explanation?


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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 24th, 2015, 6:09 pm 
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Yesitsme wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Really? This is your idea of political discourse?
I guess I won't even bother. There is no use in trying on this forum.

You make claims.
You then claim that your reasoning is "obvious".
You back up the claims by repeating that the reasons are obvious without ever offering anything.
Then you ask someone who is making NO claims try an prove your claims wrong.

Typical I guess. Any YOU are the ones who say Islanders are not informed?
Ironic.


Ok Harper is seen as a tyrant because he is intractable. Unlike Chretien who would only make a decision when he was pretty sure which way the political winds were blowing, Harper will often stake a claim and simply not change his mind. He is smart, a control freak and looks long term. He has blown off the media because he knows he has to have complete control over his message and they will not cooperate. People despise him even worse then they did Mulroney.

Mulcair is simply a little left of Tory but he is far from a Tommy Douglas NDP'er. So far he has promised everything to everyone because he knows he will have to break some promises after the election. Once elected he will actually decide on what he will and won't do. If the Tory's had offered him more he would have become a Tory not that many years ago anyway so anyone who thinks they are getting Bob Rae may be in for a surprise.

Trudeau is simply a product of the media, its fascination with his father and their determination to show Harper and by extension all politicians (after the election because Harper will not win) that they can dictate issues and drive opinion. Harper has disdain for them and now its payback. Trudeau gets a free pass for everything and he has proven himself simply incapable of even keeping his foot out of his mouth but they let him slide. This is the guy who admires communist china's economic nimbleness, can't decide if Canada owns the North Pole, never broached a single piece of legislation, and only notable accomplishment is beating the s#!t out of a drug addicted Tory appointed senator. He is a vacuum, he is young and seen as progressive and enlightened and good looking, but most of all he is just not Stephen Harper. But he is a vacuum.

And maybe the next Prime Minister.


I don't disagree with most of this other than some minor points.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Trudeau has never broached a piece of legislation. I don't see Trudeau admiring China's economy as a bad thing. How can you argue that the growth in the Chinese economy over the last 20 years is bad?

Mulcair I have met and spoken to a few times. I don't see the same person you describe. He and his policies are well to the left of harper.
He is no Tommy Douglas. That is true. If he was he would be polling below the Green party right now.
Douglas was a great premier. Perhaps the best Canada has ever seen but he never would have won a federal election.


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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 24th, 2015, 9:43 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:
Yesitsme wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Really? This is your idea of political discourse?
I guess I won't even bother. There is no use in trying on this forum.

You make claims.
You then claim that your reasoning is "obvious".
You back up the claims by repeating that the reasons are obvious without ever offering anything.
Then you ask someone who is making NO claims try an prove your claims wrong.

Typical I guess. Any YOU are the ones who say Islanders are not informed?
Ironic.


Ok Harper is seen as a tyrant because he is intractable. Unlike Chretien who would only make a decision when he was pretty sure which way the political winds were blowing, Harper will often stake a claim and simply not change his mind. He is smart, a control freak and looks long term. He has blown off the media because he knows he has to have complete control over his message and they will not cooperate. People despise him even worse then they did Mulroney.

Mulcair is simply a little left of Tory but he is far from a Tommy Douglas NDP'er. So far he has promised everything to everyone because he knows he will have to break some promises after the election. Once elected he will actually decide on what he will and won't do. If the Tory's had offered him more he would have become a Tory not that many years ago anyway so anyone who thinks they are getting Bob Rae may be in for a surprise.

Trudeau is simply a product of the media, its fascination with his father and their determination to show Harper and by extension all politicians (after the election because Harper will not win) that they can dictate issues and drive opinion. Harper has disdain for them and now its payback. Trudeau gets a free pass for everything and he has proven himself simply incapable of even keeping his foot out of his mouth but they let him slide. This is the guy who admires communist china's economic nimbleness, can't decide if Canada owns the North Pole, never broached a single piece of legislation, and only notable accomplishment is beating the s#!t out of a drug addicted Tory appointed senator. He is a vacuum, he is young and seen as progressive and enlightened and good looking, but most of all he is just not Stephen Harper. But he is a vacuum.

And maybe the next Prime Minister.


I don't disagree with most of this other than some minor points.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Trudeau has never broached a piece of legislation. I don't see Trudeau admiring China's economy as a bad thing. How can you argue that the growth in the Chinese economy over the last 20 years is bad?

Mulcair I have met and spoken to a few times. I don't see the same person you describe. He and his policies are well to the left of harper.
He is no Tommy Douglas. That is true. If he was he would be polling below the Green party right now.
Douglas was a great premier. Perhaps the best Canada has ever seen but he never would have won a federal election.


You are simply looking at what is coming out of Mulcair's "election" mouth right now, take a bit of a read of his past positions on things like the free market and so on. He's more conservative then you think.


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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 24th, 2015, 10:13 pm 
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We really don't have anything else to look at other than what the leaders are saying and what their voting records have been in parliament.

I can't predict the future.

If it turned out he was conservative in some ways so be it. Conservative is not a bad word nor is liberal or progressive or social democrat. I have no expectation that a leader will agree with all of my views.
I do have an expectation that a leader will govern in a way that is acceptable to the majority of Canadians and govern based on the actual needs of the country and not on hyped up ideology and fear.

Harper is a failure on all counts in my opinion. That disqualifies the conservatives for me when I go to the polls.
I live in a district where I don't believe the NDP candidate is a strong one. It is unlikely the NDP will get my vote that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see an NDP government federally.

I hope we never see another majority government. We need to decentralize power away from the PMO. I would be fine with either an NDP or Liberal minority government, or in the case of harper getting a minority government I would be fine with a coalition.


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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 29th, 2015, 1:11 pm 
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Yesitsme wrote:
Nomie wrote:
I'm going to guess Harper, Trudeau and Mulclair. Pretty self explanatory.



Yes. I think if Mulcair gets elected we may find out he is more right of centre then left, but only after he gets elected. We know where Harper stands and as for Trudeau, well.




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 Post subject: Re: Apathy
PostPosted: September 29th, 2015, 3:12 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:

I hope we never see another majority government. We need to decentralize power away from the PMO. I would be fine with either an NDP or Liberal minority government, or in the case of harper getting a minority government I would be fine with a coalition.



Before this majority we had what two or three minorities, that lead to elections because they all couldn't work together.


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