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saherbal
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Post subject: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 10:20 pm |
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New American research shows that there could be a link between the controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in children. The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link. Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus. Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles. This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. Here is the link to that: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... utism.html
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 24th, 2010, 1:37 am |
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Please stop promoting conspiracy theories, especially from this 'new' research - in case you didn't notice the article was from May 2006. To follow up on the topic, the original researcher came clean this past February and said his paper on the matter had incorrect conclusions and the Lancet retracted the research. From the Canadian Medical Assn. Journal: http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/182/4/E1 ... type=HWCITThough there is a good spoof reader poll on the issue I found in the Onion's archives: http://www.theonion.com/articles/study- ... ink,15375/I especially like the quote: ""I am unmoved by these findings. The amount of scientific evidence I've made up in my mind is too significant to refute.""
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 24th, 2010, 7:05 am |
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waybackwhen wrote: Please stop promoting conspiracy theories, especially from this 'new' research - in case you didn't notice the article was from May 2006. To follow up on the topic, the original researcher came clean this past February and said his paper on the matter had incorrect conclusions and the Lancet retracted the research. From the Canadian Medical Assn. Journal: http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/182/4/E1 ... type=HWCITThough there is a good spoof reader poll on the issue I found in the Onion's archives: http://www.theonion.com/articles/study- ... ink,15375/I especially like the quote: ""I am unmoved by these findings. The amount of scientific evidence I've made up in my mind is too significant to refute."" But yet you provide a link and a quote from The Onion....very informative I know it is a spoof but as a parent of an autistic child I find it is an offensive one. Normally I have a good sense of humour about things but even I can't see the humour in that and it is hardly a "good spoof". IMO a distasteful jab at autism and the people who are affected by it. You think it is a "good spoof reader poll" using a comparison of a dead child to an autistic one? IMO it shows the intelligence of people who think something like that is a "good spoof" or is even remotely funny. I would rather see someone promote or post links to so-called conspiracy theories (and I'm not suggesting whether the OP is or isn't one) than seeing links to something like you provided.
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 24th, 2010, 10:30 am |
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moved to Less Serious & Other Discussions from Politics. not a political issue and not specific to PEI
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saherbal
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 24th, 2010, 1:38 pm |
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That's cool to reposition the thread. Conspiracy theory? Am i promoting that? All i am trying to do is get at the truth of the matter. Something in the vaccines are making the children sick and the Pharmaceutical companies don't seem to want to do the real research. hmm i wonder why,maybe it might take a bite out of their pocket books.They hush up all studies that go against them ,alot have been threatened ,even people in the pharma industry don't dare to talk or go against them . I'm asking WHY? Do they ever tell you what is in the vaccines? would you like to know there is residual DNA from voluntarily aborted babies.Did you also know there is DNA from diseased animals in there as well as all the other junk in there. Do you think any of that could harm a child?
Here is an going study done in June 2010 SCPI Study on Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Presented at International Meeting for Autism Research Link:http://www.cogforlife.org/scpiautismstudypress.htm
It is shocking what they found already.why is this never reported in the mainstream media? There is a whole lot more that is never reported i can find scads of it. So call me what ever you want, I'll stick to me guns till til die cause i know I'm right,there is something in the vaccines that make the children regress. Why was the meeting in Simpsomwood never reported in main stream media? It was all about vaccines and possible connections to autism. Look up Robert Kennedy Jr
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saherbal
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 25th, 2010, 10:45 pm |
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Hmmm wonder why peanut allergies are on the rise. Good explanation here. Foods and refined oils used in vaccine manufacturing, such as shellfish, peanut oil, egg, gelatin and casein, are becoming "highly allergic" to more and more kids. Injecting peanut oil (unlabeled in certain vaccines), for instance, bypasses protein modification during digestion and can create anaphylactic response. Food allergy rates in children went up 18 percent from 1997 to 2007 (vactruth.com). Could excessive vaccination play a part? http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/2 ... 02/7250309
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 8:34 am |
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saherbal wrote: That's cool to reposition the thread. Conspiracy theory? Am i promoting that? All i am trying to do is get at the truth of the matter. Something in the vaccines are making the children sick and the Pharmaceutical companies don't seem to want to do the real research. hmm i wonder why,maybe it might take a bite out of their pocket books.They hush up all studies that go against them ,alot have been threatened ,even people in the pharma industry don't dare to talk or go against them . I'm asking WHY? Do they ever tell you what is in the vaccines? would you like to know there is residual DNA from voluntarily aborted babies.Did you also know there is DNA from diseased animals in there as well as all the other junk in there. Do you think any of that could harm a child?
Here is an going study done in June 2010 SCPI Study on Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Presented at International Meeting for Autism Research Link:http://www.cogforlife.org/scpiautismstudypress.htm
It is shocking what they found already.why is this never reported in the mainstream media? There is a whole lot more that is never reported i can find scads of it. So call me what ever you want, I'll stick to me guns till til die cause i know I'm right,there is something in the vaccines that make the children regress. Why was the meeting in Simpsomwood never reported in main stream media? It was all about vaccines and possible connections to autism. Look up Robert Kennedy Jr I have a hard time taking anything seriously from a website called "children of God." Quote: Do vaccines contain toxic ingredients? Answer: The main ingredient in most vaccines is the killed or weakened germ (virus or bacterium), which stimulates our immune system to recognize and prevent future disease. Some newer vaccines are made from only part of the germ's cell (for example, a purified sugar or a purified protein).
In addition, vaccines usually contain sterile water or salt solution. Some vaccines are prepared with a preservative or antibiotic to prevent bacterial growth. Some vaccines also contain substances known as stabilizers, to help maintain quality during storage. Some vaccines contain an "adjuvant". These substances work to boost our immune response to the vaccine and make it more effective. The amount of any of these ingredients in a vaccine is extremely small, and every batch of vaccine is tested for safety and quality in Canada before it is released for public use. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vs-sv/vs-faq14-eng.phpQuote: I've heard that thimerosol can cause autism. Is that true? Countless medical studies have concluded that there is no connection between thimerosal and autism - a lifelong developmental disorder. Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (which includes recognized experts in the fields of pediatrics, infectious diseases, immunology, medical microbiology, internal medicine and public health) states "there is no legitimate safety reason to avoid the use of thimerosal-containing products for children or older individuals." In Canada, the only vaccine that young children currently receive containing thimerosal is for influenza. The amount of thimerosal used in the influenza vaccine is very small and has not been shown to cause harm. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vs-sv/vs-faq21-eng.php
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 10:01 am |
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Thanks for those links craiger. I wish my eleven year old had read those before it was time for her swine flue needle. It took myself, the guidance councilor and a teacher to calm her fear of having the swine flue shot. In the end I still had to hold her so it could be administered, she believed so strongly she was going to become autistic afterwards. She had no trouble with other vaccinations but all the hype surrounding this particular virus and vaccine had a strong effect on her even though she is an intelligent child. It is a good example of how damaging the rumor pool can be even to children. They pick up on more than we imagine. I wish I understood the breath of her fears before taking her to school that day.
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saherbal
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 6:25 pm |
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trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine = TIV Association between the 2008–09 Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and Pandemic H1N1 Illness during Spring–Summer 2009: Four Observational Studies from Canada The researchers conducted four epidemiologic studies. Epidemiology is the study of the causes, distribution, and control of diseases in populations. Three of the four studies were case-control studies in which the researchers assessed the frequency of prior vaccination with the 2008–09 TIV in people with pH1N1 influenza compared to the frequency among healthy members of the general population or among individuals who had an influenza-like illness but no sign of infection with an influenza virus. The researchers also did a household transmission study in which they collected information about vaccination with TIV among the additional cases of influenza that were identified in 47 households in which a case of laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 influenza had occurred. The first of the case-control studies, which was based on Canada's vaccine effectiveness monitoring system, showed that, as expected, the 2008–09 TIV provided protection against seasonal influenza. However, estimates from all four studies (which included about 1,200 laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 cases and 1,500 controls) showed that prior recipients of the 2008–09 TIV had approximately 1.4–2.5 times increased chances of developing pH1N1 illness that needed medical attention during the spring–summer of 2009 compared to people who had not received the TIV. Prior seasonal vaccination was not associated with an increase in the severity of pH1N1 illness, however. That is, it did not increase the risk of being hospitalized among those with pH1N1 illness. showed that prior recipients of the 2008–09 TIV had approximately 1.4–2.5 times increased chances of developing pH1N1 illness that needed medical attention during the spring–summer of 2009 compared to people who had not received the TIV. Seems people that had the vaccine were more at risk for getting the flu than people that didn't get the vaccine. Hmmmm wonder why? http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.1000258
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 6:55 pm |
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betamaxman ,she had a right to be scared. Swine Flu RECALL: H1N1 Vaccine Pulled In Canada LONDON — Canadian doctors have been advised not to use a batch of 170,000 swine flu vaccines after six reports of serious allergic reactions among recipients, but there are no similar reports from other countries, pharmaceuticals company GlaxoSmithKline PLC said Tuesday. It was not immediately clear how many had been administered, although Vail said the majority had been. that wasn't the only recall. here is what is in the vaccine A vaccine prepared from virus propagated in the allantoic cavity of embryonated hens’ eggs. The virus is inactivated with ultraviolet light treatment followed by formaldehyde treatment, purified by centrifugation, and disrupted with sodium deoxycholate.(a detergent) Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is added as a preservative. Each dose contains 25 mcg mercury. Each dose may also contain residual amounts of egg proteins (≤1 mcg ovalbumin), formaldehyde (≤25 mcg), and sodium deoxycholate (≤50 mcg). Antibiotics are not used in the manufacture of this vaccine. Distributed by GlaxoSmithKline http://www.gsk.com/products/vaccines/in ... -h1n1.html
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 7:26 pm |
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i wonder if any of t his is linked to 9/11? 
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 7:36 pm |
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another interesting article i came across a quick comparison of vaccinated to un-vaccinated children. finds are very interesting. The general population of children in the U.S. 1 in 100 diagnosed with autism. Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania 1 in 4,875 diagnosed with autism. [Note: of the four in 19,500 children who have autism, one had been exposed to high levels of mercury from a power plant. The other three, including one child adopted from outside the Amish community, had received their vaccines.] Amish of northeastern Ohio 1 in 10,000 diagnosed with autism. Homefirst Health Services, northern Illinois 0 in 35,000 diagnosed with autism. [Note: It’s not just lack of autism that stand out in this sample of 35,000 children (90% have had zero vaccines). Asthma rates are so low, insurance giant Blue Cross Blue Shield's systems flagged the "issue". BCBS actually contacted Homefirst inquiring on how this could be! Their patients are so healthy, a lawmaker proposed a law requiring that a study be done to determine why these unvaccinated patients are so much healthier than their vaccinated counterparts.] Cal-Oregon Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Survey Vaccinated boys have a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys [survey of over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon] Here is the link. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/quick-compare.html
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 7:59 pm |
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linetwig wrote: i wonder if any of t his is linked to 9/11?  I'm betting that there is evidence out there on the interweb that definitively proves that Lee Harvey Oswald's vaccinations were what drove him to take a rifle to the Texas Book Depository on November 22, 1963.
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 8:21 pm |
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kreskin wrote: linetwig wrote: i wonder if any of t his is linked to 9/11?  I'm betting that there is evidence out there on the interweb that definitively proves that Lee Harvey Oswald's vaccinations were what drove him to take a rifle to the Texas Book Depository on November 22, 1963. Yeesh ... I was just joking ... but for the heck of it, I went looking. You too can own the book "Dr. Mary's Monkey" ... the story of how a contaminated polio vaccine is linked to Lee Harvey Oswald and the JFK assassination. 
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 26th, 2010, 8:41 pm |
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kreskin wrote: kreskin wrote: linetwig wrote: i wonder if any of t his is linked to 9/11?  I'm betting that there is evidence out there on the interweb that definitively proves that Lee Harvey Oswald's vaccinations were what drove him to take a rifle to the Texas Book Depository on November 22, 1963. Yeesh ... I was just joking ... but for the heck of it, I went looking. You too can own the book "Dr. Mary's Monkey" ... the story of how a contaminated polio vaccine is linked to Lee Harvey Oswald and the JFK assassination.  good lord, now h e'll be blaming the us govt for this .
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 27th, 2010, 11:16 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 28th, 2010, 10:23 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 29th, 2010, 9:59 am |
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I wonder why they never tell you about vitamin D when fighting infectious disease, Flu's, fake global pandemics and such. Here is some new research and how it works in the body.
Scientists from the Department of International Health, Immunology and Microbiology have discovered that Vitamin D is crucial to activating our immune defenses and that without sufficient intake of the vitamin, the killer cells of the immune system - T cells - will not be able to react to and fight off serious, life-threatening infections in the body.
link:http://news.ku.dk/all_news/2010/2010.3/d_vitamin/
Funny last winter i was advised to double up on my vitamin D3 and omega 3 fish oil cause I'm in a northern climate,most people in northern climates are deficient in vitamin D3. Did i get the fake pandemic flu nope not even a sniffle,everyone that got shot that i talked to ,guess what, got sick off the shot and some were sick for up to 3 weeks couldn't even get out of bed. Does anyone know where to report their sickness if this happens? Most i talked to didn't , There is a place to report adverse effects, it's called ARR(adverse reporting reaction) in Canada, in the states it's called VAERS. Here is what big pharma uses, aluminum,mercury,detergents and formaldehyde to get the same reaction. Think i'll stick with vitaminD3.
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 29th, 2010, 10:33 am |
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saherbal wrote: everyone that got shot that i talked to ,guess what, got sick off the shot and some were sick for up to 3 weeks couldn't even get out of bed. Of all the people I know who got the H1N1 shot, only two got sick. And only mildly ... like they do almost every year after they get their regular 'flu shot. I do agree that Vitamin D is a supplement that everyone should take to improve overall health.
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Post subject: Re: Scientists fear MMR link to autism Posted: July 29th, 2010, 10:11 pm |
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I - and no one in the family got sick from the H1N1 shot. Nor do I know of anyone who got it that got sick.
There are lots of things a person can do to reduce risk of infection or to prevent catching a wide variety of diseases.
Phil
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