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 Post subject: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 9th, 2009, 9:44 am 
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I'm looking for a wedding photographer for a friend. She's getting married on January 30th 2010 and is looking for someone around $400 - $500. I know that's not a lot for a wedding but I found someone just starting out for $200 so I figure it's worth a try to look for her! :)

If you know of anyone please let me know!

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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 9th, 2009, 9:39 pm 
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Wow. That sounds low.

If I could offer a wee bit of advice ... don't cheap out on the pictures. An extra $300-$500 over a 40 year marriage ..... pretty cheap annual payment!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 9th, 2009, 9:54 pm 
Had a friend marry last year .. she went with getting a photographer to come in after the wedding for 45 minutes to take pictures at the church ... had a list of which ones she wanted done. It worked well for the photographer because they had an early morning wedding and he was able to book another that day.

I know another who made a list and asked a couple of friends to take the pictures ... and they developed them all ....

Another bought throw away cameras ... gave a bunch out .. and asked family to take certain pictures .... they took their camers to the one hour and had some amazing shots. They also had a professional sitting to have a "special" picture done.

Personally, how often does one look at their wedding pictures past the first little bit? As long as you have a couple of keepsake pictures ...


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 6:55 am 
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Have a bullet proof contract with the photographer. In that price range, know exactly what the photographer is going to provide in both time shooting *and* proofs or prints. The contract will protect both parties in the event that they back out, or, they say on the day that the reception was extra or you only see 20 proofs to choose from, or, you only get 4x6's or whatever.

It doesn't hurt to check whether the photographer has backup gear. <- this is why I don't shoot weddings. I don't have a second body to fall back on if my primary camera dies. How in the hell do you tell someone you can't capture their day because of equipment failure. That is not a position I want to be in.

Budgets are budgets. If the money isn't there to spend, then it is what it is. You'll get suitable photos that will provide memories for a life time. The quality, wow factor thought and processing put into those photos may vary so if the budget can be stretched, I would do it.

On the other hand, who knows, one may find a wet-behind-the-ears photographer just out of college with little experience and a student loan.

When the day comes for me, here's who I'll call.

http://www.aaronmacdougall.ca/
http://www.sandpiperstudios.com/


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 3:22 pm 
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I like the idea of encouraging people to take photos instead of hiring a professional. I've never been a fan of the cheesy wedding photos that many pros take (eg. the guys with their sport coat over their shoulders looking back at the camera. GAG!). I had a friend do what SC mentioned. They had disposable cameras for every table at the reception and encouraged people to take photos. This went very well. For my own wedding, we had a few people in the family picked to take pictures during the actual ceremony. But after that, we enouraged people to take their own pictures and then forward them to us. We ended up getting a lot of great pictures. The only downside is we never took the time to actually pose for pictures ourselves, so we didn't have as many photos of us. But we had a few that turned out fine and we were happy with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 3:27 pm 
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Coug said;
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Personally, how often does one look at their wedding pictures past the first little bit? As long as you have a couple of keepsake pictures ...


Lost all mine in a fire. Wish I had at least one to remind me not to do it again.

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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 4:53 pm 
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I like lurkin' on peoples photography a lot and am a big fan of Brian Larter:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4630585962&ref=ts

He resides in Halifax but is back and forth from PEI all the time because (i think) he is from here.

Not sure his price range, but doesn't hurt to ask!


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 5:26 pm 
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Thanks for throwing my name out there Chris! Based on the first post though I (along with Brian) would be far out of their price range.

Good luck with the search!


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 5:47 pm 
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Like nearly everything, you get what you pay for.

I don't know about other photogs, but if they're like me, they keep a backup of the wedding indefinitely. I've had clients (not wedding clients) phone me to get their library again, either due to disc loss, or, drive damage.

Anyway... yep, can't argue with one's opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 5:58 pm 
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Backup backup and more backup. Hard Drives, DVD and web backups for this guy.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 6:12 pm 
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socktan wrote:
Have a bullet proof contract with the photographer.


A prior co-worker of mine was informed after his wedding by the studio that they had lost all of his photographs. These were not digital and I can't recall the cause. He sued. The studio ended up on the hook for a re-shoot. This included clothing rentals, flights for out of town members of the wedding party and some family, hotel rooms, etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 6:15 pm 
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Too bad he didn't have this covered in the contract (or have a contract at all).

Contracts cover you and the photographer from events out of your control.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 10th, 2009, 6:22 pm 
I gave a friend of mine this list for her family to take pictures ... taken from a website ...

Photos During the Ceremony

• Interior/Exterior of the church (or other wedding site) with guests
• Lighting of church candles
• Parents and other honored guests being escorted to seats
• Entrance of minister (or other officiant), groom, and groomsmen
• Minister, groom, and groomsmen waiting at altar
• Entrance of bridesmaids (escorted or unescorted)
• Entrance of flower girl and ring bearer
• Entrance of bride and father (or other escort)
• Father giving away bride
• Various shots during the ceremony (usually without flash and from the back of the church, from balcony, or best available vantage point)
• Telephoto close-ups of bride, groom, and officiant at altar
• Wide-angle shots of entire wedding party at altar
• Special moments (such as bride and groom facing one another, lighting of unity candle, vows, ring exchange, kiss, presentation of bride and groom to the guests as new husband and wife)
• The recessional (bride and groom walking back down aisle, groomsmen escorting bridesmaids down the aisle)

Something we thought out before hand was placing people with the camera .. nothing like wanting a picture of the couple coming out the church door and not having anyone outside to take the picture! She had a person on the left and right of the altar, one at the back of the church and one in the choir area.

Formal Photos after the ceremony
Various combinations and numbers of the following photographs are typical.

• Bride (several shots) She even listed poses she wanted, hands over the Bible, candle in the background, standing on the altar ...
• Groom (several shots)
• Bride and groom (several shots)
• Bride, groom and minister (or other officiant)
• Bride with maid of honor
• Bride with bridesmaids
• Bride with flower girl
• Groom with best man
• Groom with groomsmen
• Groom with ring bearer
• Bride and groom with bridesmaids
• Bride and groom with groomsmen
• Bride and groom with maid of honor and best man
• Bride and groom with flower girl/ring bearer
• Bride and groom with entire wedding party (bridesmaids, groomsmen, flower girl, ring bearer, ushers)
• Bride and groom with bride’s parents
• Bride and groom with groom’s parents
• Bride and groom with both sets of parents
• Bride and groom with bride’s extended family (grandparents, sisters and brothers, other special family members - various combinations are usually desired)
• Bride and groom with groom’s extended family (grandparents, sisters and brothers, other special family members - various combinations are usually desired)
• Bride and groom with any special friends/guests in attendance. She learned this was improtant to do as a few older guests who attended the wedding were unable to attend the dinner even though they had planned to.

Photos at the Reception

• Entrance of bride and groom
• Bride and groom being served or in food line
• Bride and groom at wedding party table
• Bride and groom during toasts (and those giving toasts)
• Bride and groom cutting the wedding cake
• Bride and groom feeding each other wedding cake
• Bride and groom first dance
• Other special dance moments (father/daughter, mother/son, etc.)
• Bouquet toss
• Garter removal/toss
• Bride and groom's hands/rings (ring shot)
• Bride's bouquet
• Parents and special guests at parent’s table (and other "table" shots, as appropriate, and as desired by the bride and groom)
• The gift table and guest book sign-in table
• The wedding cake
• Special decorative arrangements (florals, ice sculptures, etc.)
• Musicians and/or singers
• Candids of bride, groom, and family members/friends
• Candids of various guests, (as appropriate and as desired by the bride and groom)

It's always a good idea for the bride and groom to make a specific list of all of the family members (or family groups) of whom they'd like to have photos taken. This assists not only the photographer, but also helps the family sort out exactly what their formal photography needs will be. Such a list also helps to speed up the process of taking the formal photos, so that there is less time taken in making last-minute decisions on whom to include in those photos.

It was a good starter list and you would be amazed at how many people added shots they never thought of having taken ....


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 6:12 am 
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socktan wrote:
Like nearly everything, you get what you pay for.

I don't know about other photogs, but if they're like me, they keep a backup of the wedding indefinitely. I've had clients (not wedding clients) phone me to get their library again, either due to disc loss, or, drive damage.

Anyway... yep, can't argue with one's opinion.


Now. I tend to totally disagree! I got married last year in June. I paid $200 for my photographer. That included - family pictures done a month before the wedding (about 100 pictures) and it included her services from 11am until 7pm (we didn't have a dance). She took 900 pictures, edited about 20 or 30 of them and burned every single one on disks. We didn't get printed pictures - which was totally fine with me. She did a great job BUT it was her very first wedding and she was still going through schooling and it was a correspondance course.

Her prices have gone up a lot since, but I just emailed her the other day to do 1st anniversary pictures and she said she'd take pictures (as many and for as long as it took) for $50. Can't go wrong there!

I am glad I never paid the $1000 that a lot of other people pay. We started our marriage debt free because we did our wedding as cost efficient as possible! That being said - I've never come across another person for $200 since lol

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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 8:12 am 
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She can't be a full time photographer at those rates.

edit; or filing taxes. the effing government takes 30% of that. It's costing her money to do business.

edit again: sorry - I sounded snarky. :) I didn't mean to be.

I'm happy you got a great deal and are and the products. It sounds like you've already found a photographer for your friend and at less than their budget.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 9:14 am 
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No, you didn't sound snarky! She also isn't a full time photographer (as of right now anyway) She has another full time job. She also just put her rates up to $1000 for her and another friend to both do weddings at the same time - so no, I didn't find someone in my friends budget range!

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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 12:08 pm 
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Even at $1000 she is still half of the average pro rate on the island. And honestly, I don't know how she can be making money at that either. I can see if she is going for the "don't care about art or albums just want pictures" portion of the market but even at that price she is undercutting herself.

Its a tough business for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 12:12 pm 
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Janelleb001 wrote:
No, you didn't sound snarky! She also isn't a full time photographer (as of right now anyway) She has another full time job. She also just put her rates up to $1000 for her and another friend to both do weddings at the same time - so no, I didn't find someone in my friends budget range!



Honestly, Check Kijiji. There are a lot of avid hobbyists in that range who might fit the price range.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 12:18 pm 
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She can't be a full time photographer at those rates.

edit; or filing taxes. the effing government takes 30% of that. It's costing her money to do business.

edit again: sorry - I sounded snarky. :) I didn't mean to be.

I'm happy you got a great deal and are and the products. It sounds like you've already found a photographer for your friend and at less than their budget.


Chris, even a part time photographer couldn't make anything at those rates. By the time it is all said and done they will be working for minimum wage at rates like that.

As you know in photography the business side is 80% of the game. Knowing every expense, studio overhead, business revenue targets and your own salary all factor in to the pricing for weddings.


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 Post subject: Re: Wedding Photographer
PostPosted: June 12th, 2009, 1:15 pm 
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How could $500 be not making any money? This girl doesn't want prints, albums - nothing. She just wants someone to come, take the pictures edit a few and burn them all on disks. She considered putting up a slideshow at her reception but it wasn't a huge huge deal. It would be a lot of hours I guess but even if it was 10 hours, someone would make $40 an hour (as long as they only spent a few hours at home editing a couple of pictures. I think even the places htey are taking the pictures and the chruch/reception are all in really close proximity to each other so there isn't a huge gas cost either.

I don't think she's looking for amazing pictures, I think she's looking for someone to come in and take good pictures with the odd one that she really loved. That's what I was looking for too - I just figured as long as I have a few really good pictures that I really like enough that I'd put them on my wall - I'll have gotten my $200 worth.

That being said - there aren't a whole lot around for $200 lol. The ones on Kijiji are about $1000 + I contacted a few when I was looking too.

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