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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 6:14 pm 
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kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
There are not enough intelligent Islanders to actually make a change.

And not enough competent political leadership.


It is the people who choose the leadership though.


Actually, it is party members who make that choice.


And the people vote for the party and their leaders.
Ultimately it is the people who make the decision. Islanders constantly whine about their government yet they keep voting for the same two parties that have us in the mess we are in. There are other options but Islanders refuse to vote for those other options.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 6:32 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
There are not enough intelligent Islanders to actually make a change.

And not enough competent political leadership.


It is the people who choose the leadership though.


Actually, it is party members who make that choice.


And the people vote for the party and their leaders.
Ultimately it is the people who make the decision. Islanders constantly whine about their government yet they keep voting for the same two parties that have us in the mess we are in. There are other options but Islanders refuse to vote for those other options.

And what will these other parties do any different than the same old two?


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 6:35 pm 
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Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
There are not enough intelligent Islanders to actually make a change.

And not enough competent political leadership.


It is the people who choose the leadership though.


Actually, it is party members who make that choice.


And the people vote for the party and their leaders.
Ultimately it is the people who make the decision. Islanders constantly whine about their government yet they keep voting for the same two parties that have us in the mess we are in. There are other options but Islanders refuse to vote for those other options.

And what will these other parties do any different than the same old two?


Perhaps they will have some autonomy and not have to bow to the back room.
The very fact you ask that question is a part of the problem.
We have a 2 billion dollar debt. 146,000 population.
125 million dollars is spent every year paying interest on that debt.

There are only two parties responsible for this.
Don't you think it is time we went in a different direction? What could it hurt?


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 6:46 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
kreskin wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
There are not enough intelligent Islanders to actually make a change.

And not enough competent political leadership.


It is the people who choose the leadership though.


Actually, it is party members who make that choice.


And the people vote for the party and their leaders.
Ultimately it is the people who make the decision. Islanders constantly whine about their government yet they keep voting for the same two parties that have us in the mess we are in. There are other options but Islanders refuse to vote for those other options.

And what will these other parties do any different than the same old two?


Perhaps they will have some autonomy and not have to bow to the back room.
The very fact you ask that question is a part of the problem.
We have a 2 billion dollar debt. 146,000 population.
125 million dollars is spent every year paying interest on that debt.

There are only two parties responsible for this.
Don't you think it is time we went in a different direction? What could it hurt?

But there's no guarantee that the other parties will be anymore fiscally responsible than the other two and what makes you think they will bring some autonomy and not answer to back room decision makers.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 7:02 pm 
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Of course there is no guarantee. What is a guarantee though is that the current two parties will operate business as usual. We have a hundred years of empirical evidence.
What harm is there in taking a different path?


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 8:50 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:
Of course there is no guarantee. What is a guarantee though is that the current two parties will operate business as usual. We have a hundred years of empirical evidence.
What harm is there in taking a different path?

I actually agree, now if we can convince the rest of the voter population to think beyond red and blue.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 8:53 pm 
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Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Of course there is no guarantee. What is a guarantee though is that the current two parties will operate business as usual. We have a hundred years of empirical evidence.
What harm is there in taking a different path?

I actually agree, now if we can convince the rest of the voter population to think beyond red and blue.


It all starts at the kitchen table.
If there is going to be change on PEI it has to be organic and it has to be about getting people out to vote for a real change and not just lip service.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 10:06 pm 
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Blake McKinley wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Of course there is no guarantee. What is a guarantee though is that the current two parties will operate business as usual. We have a hundred years of empirical evidence.
What harm is there in taking a different path?

I actually agree, now if we can convince the rest of the voter population to think beyond red and blue.


It all starts at the kitchen table.
If there is going to be change on PEI it has to be organic and it has to be about getting people out to vote for a real change and not just lip service.


Maybe if we paid the politicians more we would get better quality of politician. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqgOvzUeiAA

Tommy Douglas's speech Mouseland.
It is hard to believe that this speech was given in 1944 and people can relate to it today.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 17th, 2014, 10:35 pm 
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It's unfortunate people don't appreciate the legacy of Tommy Douglas and how his policies would benefit all of us.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 22nd, 2014, 11:21 am 
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i always said let a third party get a kick at the can and see what they can do, if we don't like what their doing we can kick them out after one term, but unfortunately can't see it happening......


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 22nd, 2014, 1:05 pm 
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Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
LostSole wrote:

What if Mr.Ghiz is just the front man and is being told what to do by the back room?


It would just prove he is not a leader. Just a tool of the party.
All the more reason to vote them all out of office.

Aren't all leaders of parties just tools of the backbench decision makers?


No.

Then you're very naive of how our democratic politics work.....


Actually if you think the opposite its just as naive. Decisions are made based on very few opinions and limited input, the trusted circles are very small. The highly paid clappers have no input on any policies and direction is given by a few. Someone who owns a construction company or runs a law firm has 20 times the input a backbencher does.


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 Post subject: Re: Ghiz Resigns
PostPosted: November 22nd, 2014, 2:26 pm 
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Yesitsme wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
Blake McKinley wrote:
LostSole wrote:

What if Mr.Ghiz is just the front man and is being told what to do by the back room?


It would just prove he is not a leader. Just a tool of the party.
All the more reason to vote them all out of office.

Aren't all leaders of parties just tools of the backbench decision makers?


No.

Then you're very naive of how our democratic politics work.....


Actually if you think the opposite its just as naive. Decisions are made based on very few opinions and limited input, the trusted circles are very small. The highly paid clappers have no input on any policies and direction is given by a few. Someone who owns a construction company or runs a law firm has 20 times the input a backbencher does.

The construction company and law firm owners are the decision makers I'm referring to.


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