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 Post subject: Canada to take over leadership of M.O. mission in Ukraine
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2014, 4:15 pm 
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When are they going to stop poking the BEAR?

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DONETSK, Ukraine — Canada is stepping into the increasingly tense showdown between Kyiv and Moscow over the future of eastern Ukraine by taking over leadership of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s observer mission in the central European country.

Three Canadian army officers are to lead a nine-member team, Defence Minister Rob Nicholson said in a statement released Wednesday. The other members will come from Ukraine, France, Moldova and the U.S.

It is the first time that Canada has led such a mission. Its job will be to monitor the deteriorating security situation across Ukraine until May 11.

“This mission constitutes a strong show of support to Ukraine and is a concrete demonstration of Canada’s commitment to the security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine,” Nicholson said in a statement.

The OSCE was invited to observe the chaotic security situation by Ukraine’s acting government. Canada volunteered to lead this mission, which is to begin its work Thursday from a location in southern Ukraine.

Such observer duty does not come without hazards in the current situation. Seven members of another OSCE team were kidnapped and have been held hostage since last week by pro-Russian militias in the town of Slovyansk. Those holding that German-led team of observers have demanded the release of some of their supporters who have been jailed by the Ukrainian government and the dismantling of barricades in the centre of Kyiv that played a central role in the coup that toppled the pro-Russian former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

“While military personnel, there is a strong diplomatic aspect to the mission,” said Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick, the artillery officer chosen by Ottawa to lead the group. “We are looking to neutrally observe what we see; to characterize the situation on the ground as honestly as we can.”

Hardwick’s group will be unarmed. But they will be accompanied by armed Ukrainian military escorts.

“We hope to visibly demonstrate our support for Ukraine and that our work is a deterrent to those who might wish to challenge the territorial integrity of Ukraine,” the colonel, an Afghan war veteran, said by telephone from southern Ukraine.

The other Canadians on Hardwick’s team are infantry officers. The entire team has at least four years experience in similar verification work in eastern Europe, he said.

While not being drawn on the specific perils of such a mission, Hardwick acknowledged that the current security situation in Ukraine was “more fluid” than usual.

In diplomatic parlance such OSCE verification missions are taken under something known as a Vienna Document 2011 (VD11).

It was “being conducted in order to dispel concerns regarding unusual military activities in Ukraine, and to ensure a continuous international military presence on the ground,” DND said in its statement.
Where the Canadian-led team will conduct inspections has not yet been decided. They have been invited in by Ukraine because of “concerns of unusual military activity in the region,” a Department of National Defence statement said.

The OSCE is made up of 57 participating states, including all NATO allies.

The announcement came as Ukrainian security forces were placed on full combat alert Wednesday after the acting president, Oleksandr Turchynov, told regional governors that his government’s security forces were “helpless” to stop pro-Russian militias in eastern Ukraine and must now try to save cities outside the region such as Odessa and Kharkiv from a similar fate.

Turchynov’s ominous declaration came as another swarm of armed supporters of union with Russia easily captured another municipal building and police headquarters in the eastern city of Horlivka and a city council building in the nearby town of Alchevsk. These unopposed takeovers — walkovers is more like it — followed, by a day, a similar action in the border city of Luhansk.

With Wednesday’s assaults, there were now at least 14 cities and towns in the coal and steel-producing Donbass region where separatists sympathetic to Moscow who call themselves part of the People’s Republic of Donetsk now appear to control the political destiny of several million Ukrainians.
In each case, Ukrainian police provided little resistance. In a few cases they joined those attacking the buildings they were supposed to be defending.

“Our main task is to prevent the terrorist threat from spreading to other regions of Ukraine,” Turchynov said as he announced the security alert. There was a “real danger of continental war (being) unleashed against Ukraine,” he said, alleging a campaign by Russian intelligence operatives and special forces troops to create chaos and fear.

The swift, apparently well coordinated takeovers were designed by “the Russian leadership” to prevent Ukraine from staging presidential elections scheduled to take place on May 25, Turchynov said. He became interim leader after a pro-western coup in Kyiv two months ago and is to step aside after the ballot.

The confused security situation across eastern Ukraine, which shares a long border with Russia, has created jitters everywhere. Perhaps nowhere are apprehensions higher than among the two million mostly ethnic Russians who live in the heavily industrialized city of Donetsk where separatist gangs seized municipal and regional offices on April 7.

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 Post subject: Re: Canada to take over leadership of M.O. mission in Ukraine
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2014, 9:48 pm 
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a lot of those pro-Russian's are plain clothes Spetsnaz (Special Forces) trying to force Ukraine troops to fire a shot, then the Russian invasion begins, don't forget, Putin was a Colonel in the old KGB, and longs for the power of the old USSR.


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PostPosted: May 4th, 2014, 8:53 am 
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I don't believe this constitutes poking the bear. They are heading a mission of the OSCE. It is an observer mission and they will be unarmed. And it is interesting to note that the Russian Federation is a member of the OSCE.

The political benefits should not be overlooked with this mission as well. If the Canadians go in there and are viewed international to do a credible job and show fairness to both sides, they gain international recognition in dispute mediation. This could be quite significant to international relations, including with Russia, given how Canada was snubbed from the most recent UN Security Council selections.


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PostPosted: May 4th, 2014, 10:53 am 
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Are you kidding me? Who do you think is backing those Ukrainian radicals? It's the US do you really think Canada is going to give them a fair shake? Furthermore i think you better do some reading of your history. Ukraine Was always part of Russia or didn't you know that. 60 % of Ukraine are Russian citizens and you trying to tell me they are special forces. I suppose you don't know about the agreement Russia had with the US and the EU either not to push further east although it was by mouth and not a signed agreement. The US and CIA involvement is has been there for more than a decade.Or didn't you know that either. Didn't you know about the 2 leaks the phone call and the meeting of the oil complex? Are you all that blind? Russian has no need to push further west it's all about hegemony oil and resources. Russian already gave Ukraine discounts on it's oil but there are reserves untapped in Ukraine duhhhhhhhh. Who do you suppose is going to tap those resources? You don't suppose the west companies? It couldn't be could it?
Russia already had a good relationship in the Ukraine why would they want to destroy it? They had them in their pockets.How does destroying a country and taking it over make sense when you already have it peacefully?
Have you seen any of the pics of the arm bands on the radicals the corp owned papers are so careful to avoid? Look how close the US bases are to the Russian border.On the other hand how many Russian bases are close to the US?
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The FBI and CIA agents are in Kiev on a special mission to help the Ukrainian authorities quell the unrest in the southeast and create effective law enforcement bodies. The newspaper claims that they are not directly involved in clashes with pro-federalization rebels, that they have not left Kiev and that they are also advising the authorities on combating organized crime. FBI experts are helping Ukrainian investigators track down the assets of Viktor Yanykovych who insists that he remains Ukraine's legitimate President.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_0 ... orts-6737/
Do you mean to tell me that Ukrainian investigators don't know how to investigate? They have to lean from the US counterparts? How corrupt is the US counterparts FBI AND CIA? Isn't the CIA the biggest drug gang there is? How could they trust those people? That's like going to a coke dealer to get off coke.
Do you realize the last mission of people are kidnapped? Still not released? and unarmed people from Canada are going to make that big of a difference. Ha Ha HA that is just too funny.

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PostPosted: May 4th, 2014, 1:01 pm 
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Are you kidding me? Who do you think is backing those Ukrainian radicals? It's the US do you really think Canada is going to give them a fair shake? Furthermore i think you better do some reading of your history. Ukraine Was always part of Russia or didn't you know that. 60 % of Ukraine are Russian citizens and you trying to tell me they are special forces. I suppose you don't know about the agreement Russia had with the US and the EU either not to push further east although it was by mouth and not a signed agreement. The US and CIA involvement is has been there for more than a decade.Or didn't you know that either. Didn't you know about the 2 leaks the phone call and the meeting of the oil complex? Are you all that blind? Russian has no need to push further west it's all about hegemony oil and resources. Russian already gave Ukraine discounts on it's oil but there are reserves untapped in Ukraine duhhhhhhhh. Who do you suppose is going to tap those resources? You don't suppose the west companies? It couldn't be could it?
Russia already had a good relationship in the Ukraine why would they want to destroy it? They had them in their pockets.How does destroying a country and taking it over make sense when you already have it peacefully?
Have you seen any of the pics of the arm bands on the radicals the corp owned papers are so careful to avoid? Look how close the US bases are to the Russian border.On the other hand how many Russian bases are close to the US?
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The FBI and CIA agents are in Kiev on a special mission to help the Ukrainian authorities quell the unrest in the southeast and create effective law enforcement bodies. The newspaper claims that they are not directly involved in clashes with pro-federalization rebels, that they have not left Kiev and that they are also advising the authorities on combating organized crime. FBI experts are helping Ukrainian investigators track down the assets of Viktor Yanykovych who insists that he remains Ukraine's legitimate President.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_0 ... orts-6737/
Do you mean to tell me that Ukrainian investigators don't know how to investigate? They have to lean from the US counterparts? How corrupt is the US counterparts FBI AND CIA? Isn't the CIA the biggest drug gang there is? How could they trust those people? That's like going to a coke dealer to get off coke.
Do you realize the last mission of people are kidnapped? Still not released? and unarmed people from Canada are going to make that big of a difference. Ha Ha HA that is just too funny.


The last mission has been released. They were released several days ago. It is right on the OSCE's website. Not everything is a conspiracy that only you seem to have the alleged facts for. You can also see all of the Countries who are members, including the US, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Canada. Or maybe you think it was the CIA that has kidnapped and now subsequently released the German observation mission?


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PostPosted: May 4th, 2014, 2:50 pm 
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The last mission has been released. They were released several days ago. It is right on the OSCE's website. Not everything is a conspiracy that only you seem to have the alleged facts for. You can also see all of the Countries who are members, including the US, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Canada. Or maybe you think it was the CIA that has kidnapped and now subsequently released the German observation mission?

Well good they have been. No, i was talking about the whole situation that lead them to be there in the first place. Do me a favor a do a Google search of the many US bases that surround Russia and tell me who is the one wanting to invade who? Remember townie Ukraine was part of Russia so why would they want to invade their own country? I think you got the shoe on the wrong foot the US and the EU are trying to back Russia into a corner trying to get him to use force. Then That calls for the west to use force against Russia.

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PostPosted: May 5th, 2014, 4:47 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
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The last mission has been released. They were released several days ago. It is right on the OSCE's website. Not everything is a conspiracy that only you seem to have the alleged facts for. You can also see all of the Countries who are members, including the US, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Canada. Or maybe you think it was the CIA that has kidnapped and now subsequently released the German observation mission?

Well good they have been. No, i was talking about the whole situation that lead them to be there in the first place. Do me a favor a do a Google search of the many US bases that surround Russia and tell me who is the one wanting to invade who? Remember townie Ukraine was part of Russia so why would they want to invade their own country? I think you got the shoe on the wrong foot the US and the EU are trying to back Russia into a corner trying to get him to use force. Then That calls for the west to use force against Russia.


The U.S and the E.U are the only ones really pushing this action.
If Russia wanted to weaken the Ukraine all it need to do is increase the price of oil.This would cause enough havoc to have the citizens lining up to join Russia.

Putin is smart enough to know what is going on and most likely is two steps ahead of the U.S and the E.U.
Also the U.S has one of their own astronauts in the Russian space station.I hope he has a good parachute and lots of oxygen if the U.S bars all ties with Russia.


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PostPosted: May 5th, 2014, 5:54 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
New Guy wrote:
The last mission has been released. They were released several days ago. It is right on the OSCE's website. Not everything is a conspiracy that only you seem to have the alleged facts for. You can also see all of the Countries who are members, including the US, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Canada. Or maybe you think it was the CIA that has kidnapped and now subsequently released the German observation mission?

Well good they have been. No, i was talking about the whole situation that lead them to be there in the first place. Do me a favor a do a Google search of the many US bases that surround Russia and tell me who is the one wanting to invade who? Remember townie Ukraine was part of Russia so why would they want to invade their own country? I think you got the shoe on the wrong foot the US and the EU are trying to back Russia into a corner trying to get him to use force. Then That calls for the west to use force against Russia.


The U.S and the E.U are the only ones really pushing this action.
If Russia wanted to weaken the Ukraine all it need to do is increase the price of oil.This would cause enough havoc to have the citizens lining up to join Russia.

Putin is smart enough to know what is going on and most likely is two steps ahead of the U.S and the E.U.
Also the U.S has one of their own astronauts in the Russian space station.I hope he has a good parachute and lots of oxygen if the U.S bars all ties with Russia.

Why would he want this on his door step? Who got the whole situation started in the first place? They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian. Why would Putin want to weaken the Ukraine? What would he gain? He already sells them oil at big discounts if he wanted to rape them wouldn't he have charged them more on the oil ? And not be left will a huge bill the Ukraine owes Russia. It does not make sense to turn a ally into a enemy,the former gov was corrupt Putin admits that it's how to fix the problem. US and EU then stepped in and hijacked the legitimate protest of the people like they did in Libya, Egypt,most of Africa,Syria.Let them fix their situation stay the hell out of it.NO the US had to have someone bows to them. It also Hurts the EU Russia supplies them oil where do they stand? He could cut the oil supply off Where would the EU stand then?

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They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian.

And 60% of Ukrainians speak Russian why??? Wouldn't be because the Russians banned the Ukranian language for so long, would it?


Funny thing is that, according to my Ukrainian cousin (well, my cousin's wife actually), the Ukrainian and Russian languages are just Slavic dialects, a bit like the difference between say, Acadian French and Quebec French ... the occasional different words or phrases or accents, but a Quebecer and an Acadian can understand 90-95% of what each other is saying (my cousin says it would be more like 80-85% between a Ukrainian and a Russian).


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PostPosted: May 6th, 2014, 8:59 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian.

And 60% of Ukrainians speak Russian why??? Wouldn't be because the Russians banned the Ukranian language for so long, would it?


Funny thing is that, according to my Ukrainian cousin (well, my cousin's wife actually), the Ukrainian and Russian languages are just Slavic dialects, a bit like the difference between say, Acadian French and Quebec French ... the occasional different words or phrases or accents, but a Quebecer and an Acadian can understand 90-95% of what each other is saying (my cousin says it would be more like 80-85% between a Ukrainian and a Russian).

Why would thy ban Ukrainian language in Ukraine ,doesn't make sense.
This is part of what the US and NATO is backing.
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US Media Covers Up Mass Murder In Odessa
Yesterday in Odessa, Ukraine, more than 30 anti-Kiev protesters were burned alive, as a US-backed pro-Kiev mob set fire to the trade union building into which they ran to escape the pro-Kiev crowd. It was the largest loss of life in Ukraine since the US-backed coup in February, and it may well be a turning point in the east versus west struggle that ensued.

The pictures from the scene were ghastly (warning: graphic), as desperate protesters tried to claw their way out of the building as they were burned alive. Also ghastly were the photos of the young girls happily making the molotov cocktails that were thrown into the building.

More ghastly still, was the US media coverage of the savage event. Even when 25 minutes video available clearly demonstrated what happened in Odessa, clearly demonstrated who was responsible for the incineration of unarmed protesters, the US media all hewed to the State Department line that pointedly refused to pin any blame on the pro-Kiev mob supported by Washington. Said the State Department release:
The events in Odesa that led to the deadly fire in the Trade Union Building dramatically underscore the need for an immediate de-escalation of tensions in Ukraine. The violence and efforts to destabilize the country must end.

Contrast this to US government’s very different position when violence broke out in Kiev in February: even as evidence pointed to much violence committed by the protesters, the US nevertheless blamed the then-Yanukovich government exclusively.

Double standards.

And the US media was not far behind the State Department in its Odessa spin.

According to the Los Angeles Times:

Thirty of the victims died of smoke inhalation after a fire was set in the central trade union building, where pro-Russia separatists reportedly had taken up sniper positions to fire on pro-unity demonstrators.

LA Times spins it like burning more than 30 protesters alive was a purely defensive measure. But if they were all snipers, why did they not shoot their way out?

In lock-step with the State Department, the NY Daily News reported that:

…for reasons still unclear, a fire broke out in a trade union building and the death toll started to climb.

This even though their own article features a photo of a pro-Kiev protester tossing a firebomb into the building!

As to be expected, the New York Times followed the State Department line of avoiding any real reporting that might damage the US-backed regime in Kiev, preferring to present the act of mass murder as some sort of tragic accident:

Violence also erupted Friday in the previously calmer port city of Odessa, on the Black Sea, where dozens of people died in a fire related to clashes that broke out between protesters holding a march for Ukrainian unity and pro-Russian activists

There are too many more examples of the US media’s lock-step reporting on this event to cover here.

But even the virulently anti-Russian and pro-Kiev Kyiv Post could get the basic reporting correct:

A mob shouted “Glory to Ukraine” and “Death to enemies” as the building burned with people inside.

That makes it pretty clear who did the torching and who did the dying.

Continued the Kyiv Post:

Photographs circulating on Twitter and Facebook show people – some presumably in their teens – mixing explosive concoctions in discarded beer bottles before lobbing them into the building.

Why did the US media not report any of this? Because they did not want the American public to see any possibility other than the US government official line, which is that the post-coup government in Kiev and its supporters represent the legitimate and democratic will of the people and anyone who protests against that government or its supporters is a Russian agent and a terrorist.

The US mainstream media marches lock-step with the US government, even to the point of covering up a most vile mass murder. It is only alternative sources and networks like RT (and RPI) that dare to cross the State Department line.

Read more at http://libertycrier.com/us-media-covers ... TMJGvOx.99
There are a few links in the article,(i don't know how to do tha or i would put the links in myself.

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kreskin wrote:
saherbal wrote:
They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian.

And 60% of Ukrainians speak Russian why??? Wouldn't be because the Russians banned the Ukranian language for so long, would it?


Funny thing is that, according to my Ukrainian cousin (well, my cousin's wife actually), the Ukrainian and Russian languages are just Slavic dialects, a bit like the difference between say, Acadian French and Quebec French ... the occasional different words or phrases or accents, but a Quebecer and an Acadian can understand 90-95% of what each other is saying (my cousin says it would be more like 80-85% between a Ukrainian and a Russian).

Why would thy ban Ukrainian language in Ukraine ,doesn't make sense.

Read up on your history of the region. Only then will you be able to put into context what is happening today.


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kreskin wrote:
saherbal wrote:
kreskin wrote:
saherbal wrote:
They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian.

And 60% of Ukrainians speak Russian why??? Wouldn't be because the Russians banned the Ukranian language for so long, would it?


Funny thing is that, according to my Ukrainian cousin (well, my cousin's wife actually), the Ukrainian and Russian languages are just Slavic dialects, a bit like the difference between say, Acadian French and Quebec French ... the occasional different words or phrases or accents, but a Quebecer and an Acadian can understand 90-95% of what each other is saying (my cousin says it would be more like 80-85% between a Ukrainian and a Russian).

Why would thy ban Ukrainian language in Ukraine ,doesn't make sense.

Read up on your history of the region. Only then will you be able to put into context what is happening today.


So wouldn't that have been part of Russian up until they split from Russia in the 17th century ,didn't it used to be called Small Russia and they were know as Kievan Rus in the 9th century I did do some research on the history 15 century up until present day but didn't get all the little nooks and crannies of it all just a basics. But there is always more to read on history if you can get the truth of it all. Like all lands there were invasions from different factions over the centuries.
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New York Times Admits It Pushed Fabricated Evidence about Iraq, Syria and Ukraine
Mainstream Media Is Being Forced to Retract Its Propaganda More and More Quickly

The New York Times pushed fabricated evidence in the run up to the Iraq war. A year later, the newspaper apologized for its inaccurate, one-sided coverage.

The U.S. and the New York Times pretended that Syria’s government was responsible for the chemical weapons attack … but that claim was debunked, and even the New York Times was forced to retract it several months later. (The alternative media, including Pulitzer prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh, has also pointed out that it was the Syrians rebels – with the help of the Turkish government – did it).

Then the U.S. and the New York Times pretended that they had proof that Russian soldiers were the mysterious “masked men” seizing government buildings in Ukraine. But a couple of days later, they were forced reporting from the alternative media – especially Robert Parry, winner of the George Polk Award for National Reporting – into retracting that claim, and admitting that their “proof” was almost as flimsy as proof of Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction”.

It seems like the alternative media is forcing the New York Times to retract half-baked, pro-war, propaganda claims more and more quickly.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/u-s-government-new-york-times-admit-lied-ukraine-russia.html

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saherbal wrote:
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saherbal wrote:
kreskin wrote:
saherbal wrote:
They have outlawed the Russian language where 60% of the people speak Russian.

And 60% of Ukrainians speak Russian why??? Wouldn't be because the Russians banned the Ukranian language for so long, would it?


Funny thing is that, according to my Ukrainian cousin (well, my cousin's wife actually), the Ukrainian and Russian languages are just Slavic dialects, a bit like the difference between say, Acadian French and Quebec French ... the occasional different words or phrases or accents, but a Quebecer and an Acadian can understand 90-95% of what each other is saying (my cousin says it would be more like 80-85% between a Ukrainian and a Russian).

Why would thy ban Ukrainian language in Ukraine ,doesn't make sense.

Read up on your history of the region. Only then will you be able to put into context what is happening today.


So wouldn't that have been part of Russian up until they split from Russia in the 17th century ,didn't it used to be called Small Russia and they were know as Kievan Rus in the 9th century I did do some research on the history 15 century up until present day but didn't get all the little nooks and crannies of it all just a basics. But there is always more to read on history if you can get the truth of it all. Like all lands there were invasions from different factions over the centuries.
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New York Times Admits It Pushed Fabricated Evidence about Iraq, Syria and Ukraine
Mainstream Media Is Being Forced to Retract Its Propaganda More and More Quickly

The New York Times pushed fabricated evidence in the run up to the Iraq war. A year later, the newspaper apologized for its inaccurate, one-sided coverage.

The U.S. and the New York Times pretended that Syria’s government was responsible for the chemical weapons attack … but that claim was debunked, and even the New York Times was forced to retract it several months later. (The alternative media, including Pulitzer prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh, has also pointed out that it was the Syrians rebels – with the help of the Turkish government – did it).

Then the U.S. and the New York Times pretended that they had proof that Russian soldiers were the mysterious “masked men” seizing government buildings in Ukraine. But a couple of days later, they were forced reporting from the alternative media – especially Robert Parry, winner of the George Polk Award for National Reporting – into retracting that claim, and admitting that their “proof” was almost as flimsy as proof of Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction”.

It seems like the alternative media is forcing the New York Times to retract half-baked, pro-war, propaganda claims more and more quickly.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/u-s-government-new-york-times-admit-lied-ukraine-russia.html


The U.S tends to embellish and /or exaggerate the facts to get their own citizen on their side and to make their foe look like a bigger threat than they are.
I have noticed in the last week some media have stopped calling the pro-russian side terrorist since the definition does not match their actions but moreso the pro-kiev actions.


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Burning Ukraine’s Protesters Alive
For the second time in a week, Ukrainian anti-regime protesters holed up in a building were killed by fires set by pro-regime attackers with ties to newly formed neo-Nazi security forces
In Ukraine, a grisly new strategy – bringing in neo-Nazi paramilitary forces to set fire to occupied buildings in the country’s rebellious southeast – appears to be emerging as a favored tactic as the coup-installed regime in Kiev seeks to put down resistance from ethnic Russians and other opponents.

The technique first emerged on May 2 in the port city of Odessa when pro-regime militants chased dissidents into the Trade Unions Building and then set it on fire. As some 40 or more ethnic Russians were burned alive or died of smoke inhalation, the crowd outside mocked them as red-and-black Colorado potato beetles, with the chant of “Burn, Colorado, burn.” Afterwards, reporters spotted graffiti on the building’s walls containing Swastika-like symbols and honoring the “Galician SS,” the Ukrainian adjunct to the German SS in World War II.
This tactic of torching an occupied building occurred again on May 9 in Mariupol, another port city, as neo-Nazi paramilitaries – organized now as the regime’s “National Guard” – were dispatched to a police station that had been seized by dissidents, possibly including police officers who rejected a new Kiev-appointed chief. Again, the deployment of the “National Guard” was followed by burning the building and killing a significant but still-undetermined number of people inside. (Early estimates of the dead range from seven to 20.)

In the U.S. press, Ukraine’s “National Guard” is usually described as a new force derived from the Maidan’s “self-defense” units that spearheaded the Feb. 22 revolt in Kiev overthrowing elected President Viktor Yanukovych. But the Maidan’s “self-defense” units were drawn primarily from well-organized bands of neo-Nazi extremists from western Ukraine who hurled firebombs at police and fired weapons as the anti-Yanukovych protests turned increasingly violent.

But the mainstream U.S. press – in line with State Department guidance – has sought to minimize or dismiss the key role played by neo-Nazis in these “self-defense” forces as well as in the new government. At most, you’ll see references to these neo-Nazis as “Ukrainian nationalists.”

Turning to the Neo-Nazis

However, as resistance to Kiev’s right-wing regime expanded in the ethnic Russian east and south, the coup regime found itself unable to count on regular Ukrainian troops to fire on civilians. Thus, its national security chief Andriy Parubiy, himself a neo-Nazi, turned to the intensely motivated neo-Nazi shock troops who had been battle-tested during the coup.

These extremists were reorganized as special units of the National Guard and dispatched to the east and south to do the dirty work that the regular Ukrainian military was unwilling to do. Many of these extreme Ukrainian nationalists lionize World War II Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera and – like Bandera – dream of a racially pure Ukraine, free of Jews, ethnic Russians and other “inferior” beings. The slur of calling the Odessa protesters Colorado beetles — as they were being burned alive — was a reference to the black-and-red colors used by the ethnic Russian resistance in the east.

Though the mainstream U.S. press either describes Parubiy simply as the interim government’s chief of national security (with no further context) or possibly as a “nationalist,” his fuller background includes his founding of the Social-National Party of Ukraine in 1991, blending radical Ukrainian nationalism with neo-Nazi symbols. Last year, he became commandant of the Maidan’s “self-defense forces.”

Then, on April 15, after becoming the Kiev regime’s chief of national security and finding Ukrainian troops unwilling to fire on fellow Ukrainians in the east, Parubiy went on Twitter to announce, “Reserve unit of National Guard formed #Maidan Self-defense volunteers was sent to the front line this morning.”

Those National Guard forces also were reported on the ground in Odessa when the trade unions building was torched on May 2 and they showed up again in Mariupol as the police station was burned on May 9, according to a report in the New York Times on Saturday.

The Times mentioned the appearance – and then disappearance – of the National Guard without providing any useful background about this newly organized force. In the language used by the mainstream U.S. press and the Kiev regime, the neo-Nazi brigades are “volunteers” and “self-defense” units while the rebels resisting the post-coup regime are “pro-Russian militants” or “terrorists.” The Times reported the May 9 attack in Mariupol this way:

“Ukraine’s interior minister, Arsen Avakov, wrote on Facebook that about 60 pro-Russian militants had tried to seize the city’s police headquarters. The police called for support from the Ukrainian national guard, a newly formed force of quickly trained volunteers drawn from participants in last winter’s street protests in the capital. Mr. Avakov wrote that 20 ‘terrorists’ had died in the fighting, while those who survived dispersed and hid in a residential neighborhood.”

The Times added: “The national guard, though, pulled out of the city soon afterward …. Residents who had gathered around the police station offered an account that differed from the interior minister’s. The city police, they said, were sympathetic to the pro-Russian side and had mutinied against an out-of-town chief newly installed by the interim government in Kiev.

“Armored vehicles had driven into the city to confront the rebellious police, not the militants, residents said. Holes in the brick wall suggested heavy weaponry. Gunfire echoed downtown.”

After the deaths inside Mariupol’s police station, the Kiev regime rejoiced at the extermination of a large number of “terrorists.” As the UK’s Independent reported, “The military action is accompanied by stridently aggressive rhetoric from politicians in Kiev who are crowing about the numbers of ‘terrorists’ killed and threatening further lethal punishment.”

The Kiev’s regime’s concern that some local police forces have at best mixed loyalties has led it again to turn to the Maidan “self-defense” forces to serve as a special “Kiev-1” police force, which was dispatched to Odessa amid that city’s recent violence.
Deniable Forces

Though many Americans don’t want to believe that their government would collaborate with neo-Nazis or other extremist elements, there actually has been a long history of just that. In conflicts as diverse as the revolutions in Central America and the anti-Soviet Afghan war in the 1980s to the current civil conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, it has not been uncommon for the side favored by the United States to rely on extremist paramilitary forces to engage in the most brutal fighting.

In Central American conflicts that I covered for the Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s, some of the “death squads” associated with pro-U.S. regimes were drawn from neo-fascist movements allied with the far-right World Anti-Communist League. In Afghanistan, the CIA relied on Islamist extremists, including Saudi jihadist Osama bin Laden, to kill Russians and their Afghan government allies.

Today, in Syria, many of the most aggressive fighters against Bashar al-Assad’s government are Arab jihadists recruited from across the region and armed by Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf oil sheikdoms. So, it fits with a pattern for the U.S. government to hold its nose and rely on neo-Nazis from western Ukraine to take the fight to rebellious ethnic Russians in the east and south.

The key to all these unsavory alliances is for the American people not to know about the real nature of these U.S. clients. In the 1980s, the Reagan administration advanced the concept of “public diplomacy” to intimidate journalists and human rights activists who dared report on the brutality of U.S.-backed forces in El Salvador and Guatemala and the CIA-trained Contra rebels in Nicaragua.

Thus, most Americans weren’t sure what to make of recurring reports about right-wing “death squads” killing priests and nuns and committing other massacres across Central America. Regarding Afghanistan, it took the American people until Sept. 11, 2001, to fully comprehend whom the Reagan administration had been working with in the 1980s.

Similarly, the Obama administration has tried to maintain the fiction that the Syrian opposition is dominated by well-meaning “moderates.” However, as the brutal civil war has ground on, it gradually has become apparent that the most effective anti-Assad fighters are the Sunni extremists allied with al-Qaeda and determined to kill Shiites, Alawites and Christians.

So, it should come as no surprise that the Kiev regime would turn to its Maidan “self-defense” forces – formed around neo-Nazi militias – to go into southern and eastern Ukraine with the purpose of burning to death ethnic Russian “insects” occupying buildings. The key is not to let the American people in on the secret.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/05/10-5
As well US 400 US mercenaries 'deployed on ground' in Ukraine military op
http://rt.com/news/158212-academi-black ... -military/

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PostPosted: May 12th, 2014, 7:54 pm 
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I see you are quoting the Russian CNN. Funny how that works when the bias supports your own views doesn't it.


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arod wrote:
I see you are quoting the Russian CNN. Funny how that works when the bias supports your own views doesn't it.


So what is untrue in the article?


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arod wrote:
I see you are quoting the Russian CNN. Funny how that works when the bias supports your own views doesn't it.


Well here is some unbias from a German paper would that do ,i can't read German but i can read what little English words are in there.
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Ukrainer, Russen oder doch auch US-Amerikaner? Wer kämpft wirklich auf welcher Seite im ukrainischen Bürgerkrieg? Am Wochenende sorgte ein Bericht der „BILD am SONNTAG“ für Aufregung, wonach die ukrainischen Sicherheitskräfte von 400 Söldnern der US-Firma Academi unterstützt würden. Der Bundesnachrichtendienst habe die Bundesregierung am 29. April darüber in Kenntnis gesetzt. Die Informationen sollen vom US-Geheimdienst stammen.

http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/ukra ... .bild.html

Comes from a German paper.

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US-Firma Academi

Blackwater was renamed 2009 XE services, which should help according to observers, to get rid of the stains of the past. 2010, a private group of investors bought the company. Founder Erik Prince, a former Navy soldier and millions heritage, left the company.
2011 was again renamed Academi. The company is headed now by the ex-Brigadier General, U.S. Army, Craig Nixon. The former Justice Minister under President George W. Bush, John Ashcroft sits on the Supervisory Board.

I wonder is these two are the same.


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well it just get more and more comical.
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Hunter Biden joins the team of Burisma Holdings
London, 12 May, 2014

Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.
R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”
http://burisma.com/hunter-biden-joins-the-team-of-burisma-holdings/
You just couldn't guess who his father is could you.
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Wonder if this has to do with the US security?

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ACADEMI becomes a member of the Energy Security Council

January 16, 2014

ACADEMI proud to join ESC in enhancing the safety, security and business operations of companies worldwide

McLean, VA - ACADEMI, an elite security services provider to both the federal government and corporate clients, is now a member of the Energy Security Council (ESC).

The Energy Security Council, the premier energy security networking organization in the U.S., is pleased to welcome ACADEMI as a new member, according to ESC Executive Director John Chamberlain. “ACADEMI’s assessment, training and protective security services will fit in well with the diverse membership of ESC’s select member companies who focus on enhancing safety, security, and business operations of its member companies and corporations.” ESC, a non-profit professional organization with headquarters in Houston, TX, diligently creates and enhances networking capabilities on all security issues within the energy sector and with its key law enforcement partners.

Craig Nixon, CEO of ACADEMI, said, "ACADEMI looks forward to contributing to and drawing upon the extensive resources that ESC provides its members. Security is so crucial to this industry, and ACADEMI offers its exceptional operational record to the membership in support of a more stable global environment."

The members of the council bring a diversity of perspectives within the energy industry and work together to face the complex and changing security of the regions in which they operate. ESC provides a nexus for the members to communicate and collaborate, and ACADEMI is proud to bring its expertise and elite security experience to the organization.

About ACADEMI: The niche security services company was created in 1997 as a premiere provider of training and protective services in high-threat environments. http://www.academi.com

About ESC: The Energy Security Council, Inc. (ESC) seeks to be recognized as the premiere energy sector security organization, adding value to the membership through education, information-sharing, networking and sharing best security practices in order to enhance security within the sector.

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http://academi.com/news_room/press_releases/76

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