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 Post subject: The West’s Broken Promises
PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 1:13 pm 
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I’m sure most of you’ve heard news clips of PM Harper blasting Russian President Putin, saying that he is “trapped in a Cold War mentality”.

Is Harper ‘historically challenged’ himself, or does he hope we are?

After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Western leaders assured Russia that NATO would not move eastward. James Baker, then US secretary of state, assured Mikhail Gorbachev and Eduard Shevardnadze that “NATO would not move an inch eastward outside of its present zone of action”.

That didn’t last long. In 1999 Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic were invited to join, with Western leaders assuring Russia that would end the eastward expansion, and that the Baltic States would never be ‘adopted’.

Lies. The very next year Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania were invited to join, and did so in 2004.

Then it was Albania and Croatia in April 2009. You’ll remember the ‘war’ over Georgia’s joining in 2008, and now they have designs on Ukraine.

Putin and the Russians have simply had enough of NATO (read US), it's deception, and it’s expansion plans.

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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 3:09 pm 
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Seems those that believe in Conspiracy Fact are not alone in their beliefs.

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Putin inspires terror in New World Order: Dr. Barrett

Russian President Vladimir Putin is standing up against West’s aggression aimed at completely destroying traditional nations and values and creating a New World Order global dictatorship, an analyst says.

Ongoing Western attempts to destabilize Ukraine, Syria and Iran as well as other countries are the “most recent examples of a decade-old pattern of aggression” which the Russian president is countering, Kevin Barrett, a professor of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies, wrote in an article for Press TV website.

“In short, the New World Order – a shadowy group of global banking oligarchs bent on establishing a one-world dictatorship – is trying to overthrow every leader on earth who resists. Russian President Putin is resisting. That is why the Western propaganda machine is calling him names,” Barrett said.

He noted that Russia and Iran are both successfully resisting a New World Order dictatorship.

The commentator noted that the establishment of the Islamic Republic of Iran was a landmark event signaling an end to the “20th-century wave of militant secularism and atheism – and a revival of traditional religion.”

He said the Russian president enjoys overwhelming popularity in his country for his defense of traditional religious values.

“Putin is stopping New World Order ‘creative destruction’ in Syria and Ukraine. He is part of a growing coalition opposing the NWO – not just religious traditionalists, but also progressive anti-globalization forces, including [late Venezuelan President] Hugo Chavez inspired anti-imperialists in Latin America,” Barrett pointed out.

He added that the world today is facing an epic struggle between those who espouse sacred values such as justice and decency and those who desire to destroy all values.

Barrett expressed hope that God would bless Putin, “who is putting the fear of God into the New World Order.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/23/355791/putin-resists-dictatorial-world-order/

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Ukraine’s Ku Klux Klan – NATO’s New Ally
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The Western not too secret Geo-politico attack on Russia was scrambling for credibility traction over the weekend. America had its KKK period in the South and North, where they were politically strong in localized pockets, but were never a national party with a candidate for president.

Enter stage left, the Ukraine Right Sector “tipping point” thugs, who put the current Kiev coup-meisters into power and who have formed their own political party including the two other major political gangster groups, Svoboda and UNA-UNSO.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/26/neo-ukraines-ku-klux-klan-natos-new-ally/

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Fifteen years ago NATO launched an air war against the remaining territory of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia without either the approval of the UN Security Council or any basis in international law. Nineteen NATO member states were involved in a bombing campaign lasting 78 days. The Serbian Government estimated that 2,500 people were killed, with around 12,500 injured, while Serbia's infrastructure was decimated after schools, hospitals, airports, bridges, and other civilian targets were attacked from the air by F17 and F16 military aircraft and from the sea with cruise missiles.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/the-breakup-of-yugoslavia_b_5025801.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
Sounds familiar.

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New World Order? Sweet!
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But seriously, if you don't have an agreement in writing, you don't have an agreement. Bush and Gorbachev should have put their promises in writing.


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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 4:04 pm 
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New World Order? Sweet!
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LMFAO.

The gullibity of those who put any faith in this "new world order" is astounding.
It definatly shows that the weak and feable minded will beleive anything fed to them, and is sad really.


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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 5:15 pm 
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linetwig wrote:
LMFAO.

The gullibity of those who put any faith in this "new world order" is astounding.
It definatly shows that the weak and feable minded will beleive anything fed to them, and is sad really.

That was only 1 quote I'll dig up a few more for you.OK i know it's hard for you to except since you have Cognitive dissonance.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

"We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." - Arthur Schlesinger Jr., 'The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs', August 1975.

"A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." - Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991



"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."

George Herbert Walker Bush


"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms."

Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)



"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period."

Richard Gephardt, in The Wall Street Journal (September 1990)



"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long."

President George Bush (January 1991)



"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council."

Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)



"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court."

George McGovern, in The New York Times (February 1991)



"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier."

William Safire, in The New York Times (February 1991)



"How I Learned to Love the New World Order"

Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in The Wall Street Journal (April 1992)



"How to Achieve The New World Order"

Title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)



"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund."

Part of full-page advertisement by the government of Morocco in The New York Times (April 1994)



"New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State"

Title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform leader in Japan, in The Wall Street Journal (August 1994)



"The new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all."

Nelson Mandela, in The Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)



The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world and the new world order."

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in The New York Times (April 1995)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

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Video: New World Order, by World Politicians

http://www.cosmolearning.com/videos/new-world-order-by-world-politicians-1339/


Suppose this is enough for you?

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 Post subject: Re: The West’s Broken Promises
PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 5:30 pm 
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Odd. I wonder if this is the source for your nonsense.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/13t ... 01-950.htm

How much of your material do you get from a white power scumbag racist site?
A hell of a lot of your information in every thread you post in is word for word from posts on this site.


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Only the mentally weak would spew off at the mouth about a "new world order", thinking its some sort of world domination conspiracy theory.

Perhaps, if they had half a clue, they could figure out what is being referred to, which is quite simple , provided your not mentally unbalanced.


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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 5:56 pm 
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Raiders wrote:
Odd. I wonder if this is the source for your nonsense.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/13t ... 01-950.htm

How much of your material do you get from a white power scumbag racist site?
A hell of a lot of your information in every thread you post in is word for word from posts on this site.


Ah NO IT ISN"T i got the quotes from various places.I just looked i don't think I've ever been to that(the one u quoted) site.Nor would i want to go it in future reference. Seems you are the one bringing it up in the last few post, so seems to me your the one that frequents it.

linetwig wrote:
Only the mentally weak would spew off at the mouth about a "new world order", thinking its some sort of world domination conspiracy theory.

Perhaps, if they had half a clue, they could figure out what is being referred to, which is quite simple , provided your not mentally unbalanced.


Then explain it to me oh intelligent one. In your own words.I bet you can't. Anyone want to take wagers on it?

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Perhaps, if they had half a clue, they could figure out what is being referred to, which is quite simple , provided your not mentally unbalanced.


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Ah NO IT ISN"T i got the quotes from various places.I just looked i don't think I've ever been to that(the one u quoted) site.Nor would i want to go it in future reference. Seems you are the one bringing it up in the last few post, so seems to me your the one that frequents it.




I frequently search your quotes to check their validity. More than half of the time that particular site comes up as a source of the information.
I guess those people and you just think the same.


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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 7:46 pm 
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linetwig wrote:
linetwig wrote:

Perhaps, if they had half a clue, they could figure out what is being referred to, which is quite simple , provided your not mentally unbalanced.

According to you I'm mentally unbalanced so why don't you explain it in simple terms so i can get it in my mental state. I bet you can't, again who want to take wagers on line twig can't explain NWO?
I'll put up 3 days of Tim's :lol:

Raiders wrote:
I frequently search your quotes to check their validity. More than half of the time that particular site comes up as a source of the information.
I guess those people and you just think the same.


I usually provide my sources,BUT in comparison YOU don't. and to prove my point i'll list the source of those quotes

Political Science
http://www.cosmolearning.com/videos/new ... ians-1339/

Quote:

Created with the goal to provide the world with a free online school, CosmoLearning (CL) is an educational website committed to improving the quality of homeschooling, teaching and student excellence. Designed for educators and self-learners, organized according to traditional curriculum standards, CosmoLearning provides courses, video lectures, documentaries, images, books and other multimedia in dozens of subjects.

In the single word “CosmoLearning”, the prefix "Cosmo" is used in its original Greek meaning: Universal. CosmoLearning is, in fact, a free universal portal for education.


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/quotes/index.htm


and youtube so again your wrong. What matters where i get the quotes as long as they are accurate and TRUE?

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saherbal wrote:

and youtube so again your wrong. What matters where i get the quotes as long as they are accurate and TRUE?


Oh well, if it's on Youtube then it MUST be true.


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saherbal wrote:

and youtube so again your wrong. What matters where i get the quotes as long as they are accurate and TRUE?


Oh well, if it's on Youtube then it MUST be true.

I only quote 1 on you tube it was George W H Bush that was the most memorable to me i never forgot that Speech.

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Raiders wrote:
Odd. I wonder if this is the source for your nonsense.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/13t ... 01-950.htm

How much of your material do you get from a white power scumbag racist site?
A hell of a lot of your information in every thread you post in is word for word from posts on this site.

It's not Saherbal's fault that the authors of the 'stormfront' site, along with many others, have listed these quotes.

More to the point, by describing them as 'nonsense', are you saying that the persons listed in her post above did not utter the quotes ascribed to them?

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Raiders wrote:
Odd. I wonder if this is the source for your nonsense.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/13t ... 01-950.htm

How much of your material do you get from a white power scumbag racist site?
A hell of a lot of your information in every thread you post in is word for word from posts on this site.

It's not Saherbal's fault that the authors of the 'stormfront' site, along with many others, have listed these quotes.

More to the point, by describing them as 'nonsense', are you saying that the persons listed in her post above did not utter the quotes ascribed to them?

Ed


What's more important is the context that people are using these quotes and they always show up on nutjob conspiracy sites and white power scumbag racist site so there is no validity in the context.


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While some of the quotes are obviously completely out of their context, some of those people lived, learned and grew and, sometimes, the sum of all their personal experiences points them in the similar direction - the world John Lennon described in Imagine. This is not unlike light, where the white colour is the sum of all other colours - the more knowledge they gather, the more clear they see unified world with no borders, religions and tribal loyalty - the "new world order".


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Raiders wrote:
Ex-racer wrote:
Raiders wrote:
Odd. I wonder if this is the source for your nonsense.

http://www.stormfront.org/posterity/13t ... 01-950.htm

How much of your material do you get from a white power scumbag racist site?
A hell of a lot of your information in every thread you post in is word for word from posts on this site.

It's not Saherbal's fault that the authors of the 'stormfront' site, along with many others, have listed these quotes.

More to the point, by describing them as 'nonsense', are you saying that the persons listed in her post above did not utter the quotes ascribed to them?

Ed



What's more important is the context that people are using these quotes and they always show up on nutjob conspiracy sites and white power scumbag racist site so there is no validity in the context.


NO validity? OK we will pick a few of them in random order and you can put them in context for me OK?
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"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization


Quote:
"A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." - Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General

Quote:
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
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There is three of them. Put them in context for me if you could give me some background so i can better understand them.

While your at it see if you can put this video in context,i only see hypocrisy coming out of his mouth. Oh this is Gov of US youtube site so it might be crap in your opinion but it is a speech he made never the less. It starts at 42:33

President Obama's remarks have concluded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpJHS_OlFI

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sasha wrote:
While some of the quotes are obviously completely out of their context, some of those people lived, learned and grew and, sometimes, the sum of all their personal experiences points them in the similar direction - the world John Lennon described in Imagine. This is not unlike light, where the white colour is the sum of all other colours - the more knowledge they gather, the more clear they see unified world with no borders, religions and tribal loyalty - the "new world order".

Personally i wouldn't mind no borders or countries but when Corps through a few families that own 80% of the worlds wealth dictate how the world is run is where i have a problem. MONEY dictates all today. You only have to look to the Ukraine today the banksters were there first even before the protest got out of hand writing the rules.

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The 'world' and we, it's most troublesome inhabitants, are changing continuously. Change always benefits some and harms others. I often view the changes I've seen in my 76 years as a 'new world order'.

Growing up in the '40s and '50s we were 'poor' by todays standards. The average welfare recipient today has more 'stuff', and money to spend, than we did. What they don't have is the feelings of freedom, self-reliance, and pride in being almost completely self-sufficient. It was standard practice for the dozen or so families in the rural school district to 'trade labor' and help each other when required.
No one ever locked a door, crime was almost non-existent, and we had virtually no interaction with government or 'authorities'.

Back then, it was taken for granted that we would have a better life than our parents - all we had to do was work hard. But something has gone wrong. The only demographic group that has had a 'real' increase in income in the last couple of decades are the 'rich'.

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Then there's the youth addiction, student debt, and boomerang generation problems. I could go on, but won't. :)

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