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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 8:15 pm 
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:shock: Whaaaaaa?

If something has no proof, is it considered proven unless it is proven to not have a proof?

Saherbal, I know who you are now! You're Jean Cretien =D>

And here's your thesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 8:55 pm 
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So when did the discussion of Cancer become a political one?

Isn't it in Political debates? and isn't the Prov. Gov
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The P.E.I. government has established a committee to look at high rates of cancer and poor treatment outcomes in the province.
this very first post. Maybe you missed that.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 9:03 pm 
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:shock: Whaaaaaa?

If something has no proof, is it considered proven unless it is proven to not have a proof?

Saherbal, I know who you are now! You're Jean Cretien =D>

And here's your thesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU

ya but you forgot the hat Image

Proof is in the pudding or should i say the OIL because it doesn't even harm an 8mth old baby.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 9:37 pm 
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It's according HOW THEY USE IT. Smoking doesn't have the same effect as the oil. Like snorting pills doesn't have the same effect and taking them orally. Depends on the strain ,how well you make it and how well you follow the instructions,what type of MJ you use. There is a whole range of things to consider.



OK, so you are telling me that everyone would cured from cancer with MJ if they use it properly???


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 9:50 pm 
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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
It's according HOW THEY USE IT. Smoking doesn't have the same effect as the oil. Like snorting pills doesn't have the same effect and taking them orally. Depends on the strain ,how well you make it and how well you follow the instructions,what type of MJ you use. There is a whole range of things to consider.



OK, so you are telling me that everyone would cured from cancer with MJ if they use it properly???

The latest science shows 7 out of 10 it's prob more than that. As well as a host of other illnesses to do with the immune system including autism,ms,Parkinson, Dravet Syndrome.
Watch for my next post,this is Health Canada and how it cares of it people.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 9:59 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
The latest science shows 7 out of 10 it's prob more than that.


What latest science? All I ever see you post are anecdotes or opinions.



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Watch for my next post,this is Health Canada and how it cares of it people.


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 10:04 pm 
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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
The latest science shows 7 out of 10 it's prob more than that.


What latest science? All I ever see you post are anecdotes or opinions.



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Watch for my next post,this is Health Canada and how it cares of it people.


Now I won't be able to sleep. It's like Christmas eve. :lol:


Look at other countries studies. You can't do your own searches?
This lady was given a death sentence told nothing we can do go home get your things in order. Well she is alive and well.
https://www.facebook.com/corrie.yelland

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 10:27 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
The latest science shows 7 out of 10 it's prob more than that.


What latest science? All I ever see you post are anecdotes or opinions.



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Watch for my next post,this is Health Canada and how it cares of it people.


Now I won't be able to sleep. It's like Christmas eve. :lol:


Look at other countries studies. You can't do your own searches?
This lady was given a death sentence told nothing we can do go home get your things in order. Well she is alive and well.
https://www.facebook.com/corrie.yelland


You do know what an anecdote is, right?

And it's difference from science?


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: February 28th, 2014, 11:12 pm 
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saherbal wrote:

Proof is in the pudding or should i say the OIL because it doesn't even harm an 8mth old baby.


Or you could just say "hey, i'm a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob and the government is out to get us and visitors from other galaxies control us, prove me wrong or it's true."

Same old tired bulls**t from the paranoid delusional medicated crowd.


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 10:01 am 
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saherbal wrote:
Gardiner wrote:
So when did the discussion of Cancer become a political one?

Isn't it in Political debates? and isn't the Prov. Gov
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The P.E.I. government has established a committee to look at high rates of cancer and poor treatment outcomes in the province.
this very first post. Maybe you missed that.

You seem to think the Government is responsible for everything and that MJ can cure Cancer and I'd be willing to bet that you have zero experience in both.


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 10:47 am 
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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
The latest science shows 7 out of 10 it's prob more than that.


What latest science? All I ever see you post are anecdotes or opinions.



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Watch for my next post,this is Health Canada and how it cares of it people.


Now I won't be able to sleep. It's like Christmas eve. :lol:


Look at other countries studies. You can't do your own searches?
This lady was given a death sentence told nothing we can do go home get your things in order. Well she is alive and well.
https://www.facebook.com/corrie.yelland


You do know what an anecdote is, right?

And it's difference from science?

Of course i do,duhhhhhhhh
How do you do science of people they have written off as DEAD.On the other hand she is off all medication and cancer is gone.How many anecdotes you need to tell you something works?

Comprehensive Report on The Cannabis Extract Movement
http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement

Cannabis and cannabinoids relatively safety compared to conventional therapeutics
[url]http://www.slideshare.net/MichaelBernhardt/cannabis-and-cannabinoids-relatively-safety-compared-to-conventional-therapeutics
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Can Cannabidiol (CBD) Fight Metastatic Cancer? According to the latest research the answer is yes.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/can-cannabidiol-cbd-fight-metastatic-cancer-according-to-the-latest-research-the-answer-is-yes-170681736.html

Cannabidiol (CBD): Fighting Inflammation & Aggressive Forms of Cancer
http://www.medicaljane.com/2012/12/20/cannabidiol-cbd-medicine-of-the-future/

Induction of apoptosis by cannabinoids in prostate and colon cancer cells is phosphatase dependent.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22110202

Cannabinoids Induce Apoptosis of Pancreatic Tumor Cells via Endoplasmic Reticulum Stress–Related Genes
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/6748.full

Inhibition of skin tumor growth and angiogenesis in vivo by activation of cannabinoid receptors
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/16116

Anti-proliferative and apoptotic effects of anandamide in human prostatic cancer cell lines: implication of epidermal growth factor receptor down-regulation and ceramide production.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841

Increasing Antiproliferative Properties of Endocannabinoids in N1E-115 Neuroblastoma Cells through Inhibition of Their Metabolism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3203169/

case report

Cannabis Extract Treatment for Terminal Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia with a Philadelphia Chromosome Mutation
http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/356446


Structure-dependent inhibitory effects of synthetic cannabinoids against 12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol-13-acetate-induced inflammation and skin tumour promotion in mice
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jphp.12082/abstract

Cannabinoids as Adjunct Treatment for Pancreatic Cancer
http://medicalmarijuana.com/medical-marijuana-treatments/Pancreatic-Cancer

Are you starting to get a picture? I could find more for you only i would like to be paid for my precious time. It's all about the money,you know.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 10:48 am 
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Raiders wrote:
saherbal wrote:

Proof is in the pudding or should i say the OIL because it doesn't even harm an 8mth old baby.


Or you could just say "hey, i'm a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob and the government is out to get us and visitors from other galaxies control us, prove me wrong or it's true."

Same old tired bulls**t from the paranoid delusional medicated crowd.

OMg you shouldn't talk about yourself that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 1:46 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
Of course i do,duhhhhhhhh

Comprehensive Report on The Cannabis Extract Movement
http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement


What the hell is the reason for the snide remark???

The very first line in this "comprehensive study", THE VERY FIRST LINE, is:

While there are no actual clinical studies on cannabis extract medicine for the treatment of disease currently in existence...

Until there are, you can't make the claim that MJ is the cure.


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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 2:56 pm 
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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
Of course i do,duhhhhhhhh

Comprehensive Report on The Cannabis Extract Movement
http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement


What the hell is the reason for the snide remark???

The very first line in this "comprehensive study", THE VERY FIRST LINE, is:

While there are no actual clinical studies on cannabis extract medicine for the treatment of disease currently in existence...

Until there are, you can't make the claim that MJ is the cure.


Didn't you forget to put the last of that statement in there? I'll do it for you. We have to be fair now, we can't show just half the picture.

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(although some are scheduled to begin soon) There is an immense body of scientific evidence demonstrating that cannabinoids are effective in virtually ANY disease

So your tell me walking talking people that are no longer sick or no longer have cancer is not proof ,you need that on paper? ok you sit and wait for a few more years. For it all to be put on paper instead of talking to actual people that have gone through this already.

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 Post subject: Re: Cancer
PostPosted: March 1st, 2014, 3:43 pm 
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saherbal wrote:
alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
Of course i do,duhhhhhhhh

Comprehensive Report on The Cannabis Extract Movement
http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement


What the hell is the reason for the snide remark???

The very first line in this "comprehensive study", THE VERY FIRST LINE, is:

While there are no actual clinical studies on cannabis extract medicine for the treatment of disease currently in existence...

Until there are, you can't make the claim that MJ is the cure.


Didn't you forget to put the last of that statement in there? I'll do it for you. We have to be fair now, we can't show just half the picture.

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(although some are scheduled to begin soon) There is an immense body of scientific evidence demonstrating that cannabinoids are effective in virtually ANY disease

So your tell me walking talking people that are no longer sick or no longer have cancer is not proof ,you need that on paper? ok you sit and wait for a few more years. For it all to be put on paper instead of talking to actual people that have gone through this already.


I didn't forget because it wasn't the point I was making and further reinforces my belief that you do not fully understand the scientific process.

My point was that you are making claims that cannot be substantiated UNTIL clinical trials have been done.

Yes, scientific evidence is great and lends credence to a theory but in medical science, this is not enough. Science can be as little as proof of concept with some cells in a test tube or even a small trial with 1 or 2 people but this is not enough to state that it is indeed a cure.

The problem is that without a real clinical trial, all of the evidence become muddled with some science and other anecdotal evidence, or a mish mash of the two (ie. taking MJ along with other chemo, which had more of an affect)

Another issue is that you could only hear from those who claim that MJ cured them. If it didn't, they wouldn't be in much of a position to report on that from the grave.

So yes, while it is sad and frustrating that these things take time, one must also look at it from the point of view of what benefits humanity in the long run. Clinical trials are the only way to lend substantial proof to the claim.


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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
Of course i do,duhhhhhhhh

Comprehensive Report on The Cannabis Extract Movement
http://www.slideshare.net/TheHempSolution/comprehensive-report-on-the-cannabis-extract-movement


What the hell is the reason for the snide remark???

The very first line in this "comprehensive study", THE VERY FIRST LINE, is:

While there are no actual clinical studies on cannabis extract medicine for the treatment of disease currently in existence...

Until there are, you can't make the claim that MJ is the cure.


Didn't you forget to put the last of that statement in there? I'll do it for you. We have to be fair now, we can't show just half the picture.

Quote:
(although some are scheduled to begin soon) There is an immense body of scientific evidence demonstrating that cannabinoids are effective in virtually ANY disease

So your tell me walking talking people that are no longer sick or no longer have cancer is not proof ,you need that on paper? ok you sit and wait for a few more years. For it all to be put on paper instead of talking to actual people that have gone through this already.


I didn't forget because it wasn't the point I was making and further reinforces my belief that you do not fully understand the scientific process.

My point was that you are making claims that cannot be substantiated UNTIL clinical trials have been done.

Yes, scientific evidence is great and lends credence to a theory but in medical science, this is not enough. Science can be as little as proof of concept with some cells in a test tube or even a small trial with 1 or 2 people but this is not enough to state that it is indeed a cure.

The problem is that without a real clinical trial, all of the evidence become muddled with some science and other anecdotal evidence, or a mish mash of the two (ie. taking MJ along with other chemo, which had more of an affect)

Another issue is that you could only hear from those who claim that MJ cured them. If it didn't, they wouldn't be in much of a position to report on that from the grave.

So yes, while it is sad and frustrating that these things take time, one must also look at it from the point of view of what benefits humanity in the long run. Clinical trials are the only way to lend substantial proof to the claim.

You go through your process that takes years in the meantime people have died.

I'll talk to the people that have gotten well ,that the Doc's have written off and sent home to die.That are still living. your choice more than one way to skin a goose so to speak.

Walking talking people aren't substantial proof? Their video testimony isn't proof? How many people have given proof posting medical records and and other testimony do you need?
First your saying it lends credence then your saying it isn't enough ? which is it?
Go look for patient cases. Are you that lazy?

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You go through your process that takes years in the meantime people have died.

I'll talk to the people that have gotten well ,that the Doc's have written off and sent home to die.That are still living. your choice more than one way to skin a goose so to speak.


It's not my process.

You are free to do what you like.

I'm not even suggesting that MJ can't offer treatment or possibly even cure some forms of cancer.

I would just ask that you refrain from preying on the weak & desperate, offering cures when you have know idea for sure.


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I'm not sure I understand your problem with clinical trials. It may even prove you right.


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PostPosted: March 2nd, 2014, 8:59 pm 
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alandla wrote:
saherbal wrote:
You go through your process that takes years in the meantime people have died.

I'll talk to the people that have gotten well ,that the Doc's have written off and sent home to die.That are still living. your choice more than one way to skin a goose so to speak.


It's not my process.

You are free to do what you like.

I'm not even suggesting that MJ can't offer treatment or possibly even cure some forms of cancer.

I would just ask that you refrain from preying on the weak & desperate, offering cures when you have know idea for sure.


PS,

I'm not sure I understand your problem with clinical trials. It may even prove you right.


I don't have a problem with clinical trials per se. Just in the case of MJ all the trials that have gone on over the decades should prove in some way of it's validity. There are literally thousands upon thousands of cases to prove this. Most of the recent cases are the ones that Docs have written off and they think there is nothing else out there. The way they(DOCS) are trained and the parameters they are allowed to operate in cuts them off from am immense wealth of knowledge. Politics play a huge role in this.It shouldn't in my view because lives are at stake. My view is that if something is proven politics should stand down so to speak.

There is all kinds of clinical trials coming up. But and here in lies the big question. Will they allow just mj alone or will they be forced into using chemo and or radiation? Chem and radiation kills it's been proven for decades. That is why PEI and most provinces have such poor records on this. To prove my point look at Cashey Hyde's short life,he died cancer free but the chemo killed him.He was so toxic his parents had to use gloves to change his diaper.(I'm quite sure it was Cashy i've read about so many kids that have died of cancer after chemo , rad and before they discovered mj oil.)

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Interesting discussion.

This was in the news recently.

What do you feel about this?
There are discussions that cancer can be a result of ignorance about our lifestyle choices or regular foods we eat or environment we live in.

http://www.today.com/health/dont-eat-cr ... 2D11591387

this is the actual document http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/Guida ... 374534.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consume ... 374855.htm

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... de-in-food

Totally heartbroken to read this. But if this is the case, are there similar foods that we don't know about?? Is changing our diet/lifestyle the simplest option?

With an alert like this from a regulatory body, at least my consumption has reduced for sure! (though I miss it badly :)


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Interesting discussion.

This was in the news recently.

What do you feel about this?
There are discussions that cancer can be a result of ignorance about our lifestyle choices or regular foods we eat or environment we live in.

http://www.today.com/health/dont-eat-cr ... 2D11591387

this is the actual document http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/Guida ... 374534.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consume ... 374855.htm

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... de-in-food

Totally heartbroken to read this. But if this is the case, are there similar foods that we don't know about?? Is changing our diet/lifestyle the simplest option?

With an alert like this from a regulatory body, at least my consumption has reduced for sure! (though I miss it badly :)

Yes i agree the food we eat now is crap in my opinion The more junk they put in the more $$$$ they make the happier they are but the ignorance of the people has to change . Some people have changed what they eat and are more healthier and have in the process reversed some of their ailments.
What we eat, our toxic environment and our lifestyles all play a roll.
You put crap in you get ailments and get sick. There are better ways of feeding people than just looking at the profits like industry is today.

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