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 Post subject: People calling 911 for burning permits?
PostPosted: May 1st, 2007, 9:40 pm 
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Hum, not sure why anyone would think 911 is the right place to call for a burning permit. It's the Dept. of Forestry folks! At least it used to be when I worked there!


For Immediate Release
May 1, 2007



Agencies Concerned About 911 Calls for Burning Permits
CHARLOTTETOWN, PEI -- The 911 Administration Office and the Department of Environment, Energy and Forestry are concerned about the number of calls 911 service staff are receiving from people looking for burning permits. Islanders are reminded that 911 services are for emergencies only and not for general information requests.
Burning permits are available free of charge from the Forests, Fish and Wildlife Division offices located in Charlottetown, Wellington, and Southampton. Forest fire emergencies may be reported by calling 911. The daily Fire Weather Index is available at www.gov.pe.ca/go/FWI.

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PostPosted: May 1st, 2007, 9:43 pm 
Perhaps there should be a s11 dial on the phone for stupidity.

People are either too brainless or too lazy to go through the proper channels.
Most of the burning on the Island is totally unnecessary anyway.


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hhost.ca wrote:
Most of the burning on the Island is totally unnecessary anyway.


I agree. Is there a reason why people burn grass?

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Armetis wrote:
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Most of the burning on the Island is totally unnecessary anyway.


I agree. Is there a reason why people burn grass?


Makes it greener.

At least that's what I was told as a kid.

Why people want greener grass is an abandoned field is beyond me though.


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Well sometimes in the country they will burn in area where there is alot of under brush. A controlled burn is better than one that is uncontrolled.


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Strange. How much greener than green can you get grass? :?

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Makes it greener.

At least that's what I was told as a kid.

Why people want greener grass is an abandoned field is beyond me though.


That's a myth. Grass becomes green at the same rate, burn or no burn. In fact, burning can damage grass and make it less green.

I think the answer is it makes it "look" greener, because the old, dead grass is burned away leaving the new shoots visible to the eye., at least for several days earlier than it would without burning.

Unfortunately, it is very bad for the environment because the old, dead grass is useful for the soil because it provides nutrients when it is breaking down.


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I have thorny rosebushes. Every spring they get full of a hay-like substance that I am unable to reach without getting picked by the thorns. It's very easy to just burn it - the flames are out within seconds.

I don't call 9-1-1 though to get a permit! Or anybody else for that matter...


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Well according to the law, you have to have a burning permit to burn anything.

Not questioning your rose bush problem, but if your fire got out of hand and burned down my house next door, I'd be pretty pissed.


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My rosebushes are far from houses and I burn when it's wet so no worries :)

My point was to give a reason as to why people burn; it's not necessarily to have greener grass.


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Well if its wet and you live away from houses, when you apply for your burning permit (which you are required, by law, to do) and receive it, no worries.

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brianmiller wrote:
Well if its wet and you live away from houses, when you apply for your burning permit (which you are required, by law, to do) and receive it, no worries.

:lol:


So what exactly is a burning permit? Does the fire department come out and monitor it? And if so, how much is that going to cost me?

Nah, I'll burn my one square foot each of rose bushes without any worries. If it's any consolation, it has already been done for the season and no structures have burned down. You are safe for another year, neighbor!


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For those who want to know:

http://www.gov.pe.ca/envengfor/index.php3?number=73360

Burning Permits for Open Burning
Frequently Asked Questions

Q Are burning permits required for open burning on Prince Edward Island?
A Yes, you require a burning permit - one of three types depending on the material to be burned.


Q Are burning permits required for campfires?
A If the landowner allows them, small campfires built in properly constructed sites and used for cooking and warmth are allowed without a permit. In all cases, proper precautions must be taken to ensure the fire does not escape. This includes having readily available water and fire fighting tools close to the campfire site and having a responsible person present who is capable of fighting fire. Note: When conditions are dry, add dish soap to the water to improve its effectiveness for fire suppression and extinguishing the coals and embers.


Q Do I require a permit to burn grass or brush?
A Yes, if you are within 200 metres of burnable vegetation including hedgerows, woods, grassland, dry cereal crops, and marshes, you require a forest fire burning permit between March 15th and December 1st each year.


Q Is there a charge for these forest fire burning permits?
A Not at this time, but you must obtain and sign the permit at a Forest District Office.


Q What happens if I burn without a permit?
A You could be liable on summary conviction of a fine between $200 and $1,000 plus fire suppression costs and any court or other costs.


Q If the fire escapes, am I liable?
A Yes, you are liable for the suppression costs plus you are liable to your neighbours for damages.


Q Are there things I can do to help contain the fire?
A Yes. Read Controlling the Burn and make sure that you:
1. Check the weather forecast to ensure the winds are within the conditions prescribed on the permit;
2. Take extra precautions around any buildings or escape areas; and\
3. Have sufficient people, hand tools, and water to control the fire.


Q If the fire escapes, what should I do?
A Immediately dispatch someone to telephone the forest fire emergency number at 911 and report the location of the fire and the type of fire.


Q Where can I obtain the Fire Weather Index?
A It is available during work days by telephoning a Forests, Fish and Wildlife Division office in Charlottetown 368-4800, Wellington 854-7260, or Southampton 961-7296.
After hours and on weekends, telephone 902-368-4800 for a recorded message providing the Fire Weather Index.
During the fire season the Fire Weather Index is available seven days a week by clicking on this URL http://www.gov.pe.ca/fire/index.php3


Q Do I require a permit to burn an old building or parts of an old building?
A Yes, you require a special permit from the Fire Marshall's Office.


Q Do I require a permit to burn garbage or hazardous waste?
A Yes, you require a special permit from the Department of Environment, Energy and Forestry.


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Well I think the problem is, not you personally, but everyone thinks they burn safely and don't need to get a permit nor check the forest fire index or whatever.

Then one day - 10 or 20 acres burns down (think of Tracadie last year) and they say "OMG, it just got away from me!)

Then you (not you personally, but the burner) is liable for the damage because they did not have a permit. This can cost a lot of money! Not to mention being a tremendous pain in the ass for volunteer fire fighters who have to leave their lives and families to fight yet another grass fire because you were confident of your burning abilities.

Believe me, I lived on a farm and have SEEN a simple grass fire take off and get out of control in a shocking and incredibly fast way that involved the fire department and saving buildings.

I think that's really why burning permits are required - and burning grass to make it "greener" is discouraged.

Burning permits are available at the PEI department of Forestry. Their number is in the book.


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It's more Monkey See Monkey Do than anything else, people see others burning their lawn so they do it too.

Green grass sticking up out of black ash will of course look greener.

It's not as common as it used to be people are not as gullible as they seemed to be years ago :lol:

It's a weird thing to do, I wonder if it's only done here on the Island?


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i don't understand why people care that much about their darn lawns anyways. spend time on things that matter, rather than friggin grass and weeds.

maybe i'm ignorant, and maybe it's because i don't own my own property yet....but i really don't see myself fussing over weeds or bushes or anything. lame.


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Hey...lots of people poison their lawns with pesticides and then send the kids out to play...

One has to wonder just how "Much" people care for their grass...

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dhughes wrote:
It's a weird thing to do, I wonder if it's only done here on the Island?

No, it's also fairly common practice in other parts of Canada where I've lived.


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I think any sane adults who call 911 with such foolish questions should be fined. I can understand a child maybe calling 911 by mistake, but someone actually called 911 to ask about a burning permit? Give the goof a fine.


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I think any sane adults who call 911 with such foolish questions should be fined. I can understand a child maybe calling 911 by mistake, but someone actually called 911 to ask about a burning permit? Give the goof a fine.


Then they'd phone 911 to find out how to pay...
I wonder how many people called 411 to ask the same question....


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