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I don't think it's fair to say that doctors on PEI aren't competent enough to work elsewhere.

What do you think of doctors who work in Africa, without all the high-tech gadgets we have here? Do you think they are just too incompetent to work in big centers where the big money is? Maybe their personal choice and morals have something to do with it, rather than chasing the money across the globe.


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I don't think it's fair to say that doctors on PEI aren't competent enough to work elsewhere.

What do you think of doctors who work in Africa, without all the high-tech gadgets we have here? Do you think they are just too incompetent to work in big centers where the big money is? Maybe their personal choice and morals have something to do with it, rather than chasing the money across the globe.


I would say that it is very hard to generalize. I'm sure that some good doctors practice here either because of the lifestyle on PEI or the fact that they are from here and wish to remain. And there are those who practice here because they just don't have the "right stuff" to practice anywhere that a higher degree of professionalism is expected. It is a pretty mixed bag and a crap shoot as to whether you will get one of the good ones or one of the bad ones.

Those around me have been having a run of getting the rotten ones (see my post on page one of this thread). Except for one instance, I've been lucky personally.


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Doctors (and nurses) in our health care system work long hours and are routinely expected to perform miracles. I'm not suggesting that they don't have flaws but I think the fact that our health care system is seriously underfunded should be taken into consideration.

Here is one PEI Doctor who has earned my heartfelt respect.

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Dr. Frank Estey

http://www.peigov.ca/infopei/index.php3 ... 687&lang=E

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I don't think it's fair to say that doctors on PEI aren't competent enough to work elsewhere.

What do you think of doctors who work in Africa, without all the high-tech gadgets we have here? Do you think they are just too incompetent to work in big centers where the big money is? Maybe their personal choice and morals have something to do with it, rather than chasing the money across the globe.

lets face it, everywhere else in this country likley has better everything medically right? so it stands to reason , the the brightest, best and most competent are going to be hired where there is
a: the best building
b: the best equipment
c: the most money.
pei has none of the above, therefore we are not going to get the majority of top notch profesionals.


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What do you do for a living, line twig? Did you chase that big money to Ontario, Alberta, etc? Why did you choose to stay here on the Island? Is it because you weren't capable enough to make it in another province??


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What do you do for a living, line twig? Did you chase that big money to Ontario, Alberta, etc? Why did you choose to stay here on the Island? Is it because you weren't capable enough to make it in another province??

nope its because i have family commitments here. i have had calls however to go to alberta to look after jobs for contractors there. and basically it was asked not how much i wanted, but when could i start. i'm not so sure i wont be leaving in the near future.
i also know that when i go out there, i will be working with the latest tech. in my trade.
i sense a little frustration in your post so having said that , when you have had as much exposure to the incompetence of the health care syatem as i have had, and watch people you love suffering because of it, you come talk to me and tell me you dont agree with what i said. that said read kreskins post on his experiences with island healthcare.


and fyi, i have done work in other provinces. so much for your theory there :D


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It's sad and horrifying that many of you have had such rotten experience with the healthcare on PEI. I've lived in BC, Alberta and PEI now and can say that the three doctors I've had to deal with including my family doctor, my obstetrician and my daughter's pediatrician have been absolutely brilliant in their handling of our needs and medical assistance.

In Alberta, we switched through three doctors before settling with one who was adequate - but he did not even come close to the professionalism and capability of the three doctors we have encountered here.

Our family doctor in BC has been brilliant in his ability to treat several serious issues in my family, however I would not say that because he's in BC he is any better then my current family physician (who is equally brilliant IMO).

I find it frustrating - especially as a person from away - at the broad brush being used to paint the doctors on the island just because they choose to practice here. Living on the island does not necessarily mean you any less competent then the doctor two three or five provinces away.


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i understand what you are saying..... but as i said before, we have ahd the expereinces to leave a bad taste.
one memeber on here almost died from incompetence. he was in halifax for almost 3 months recovering. i know him extremely well. i also know that the dr's in halifax shook there head in disgust at the handleing of his case by the "specialists" on pei. that coupled with personal expereinces tends to form my opinon of healthcare around here.


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nope its because i have family commitments here.




So...it's okay for YOU to stay here due to family obligations, but doctors who may choose to stay here for the exact same reasons are just hiding their incompetency?

Sorry you had a bad experience with a doctor here. We all have our stories, I am sure. But I would rather hear of how your doctor made a mistake, or whatever, than to hear the broad generalization that all doctors in PEI are pitiful in their field so that's why they stay here and not leave for greener pastures.

And if a doctor is guilty of negligence, maybe you should take it up with the proper authorities.


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I would never have another operation on the Island again in my life...

I won't go into detail but I needed a simple surgery to have my appendix removed several years ago and almost died twice through the whole ordeal...I spent several weeks in ICU and ended up having to have two surgeries the first of which was severly botched and another that I woke up during the middle of while I was being operated on...I came within seconds of losing my life and had my heart stop during one surgery...All this for a simple appendix procedure that should of taken an hour and I should have been fully recovered in a few days...complete nightmare...


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nope its because i have family commitments here.




So...it's okay for YOU to stay here due to family obligations, but doctors who may choose to stay here for the exact same reasons are just hiding their incompetency?

Sorry you had a bad experience with a doctor here. We all have our stories, I am sure. But I would rather hear of how your doctor made a mistake, or whatever, than to hear the broad generalization that all doctors in PEI are pitiful in their field so that's why they stay here and not leave for greener pastures.

And if a doctor is guilty of negligence, maybe you should take it up with the proper authorities.



think about it logically. as i said, other places outside pei have a: newer bulidings. b: the latest equip. c: more money for recruitment, bonus etc. it should stand to reason the best would go other places right? i can understand a local kid turned gp comiong here, but the real talent is going to move on.


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think about it logically. as i said, other places outside pei have a: newer bulidings. b: the latest equip. c: more money for recruitment, bonus etc. it should stand to reason the best would go other places right?


I am thinking about it logically. We used "you" as an example. You are one of the top 10 in your field across Canada - but you stay here for your own reasons. Don't you think a doctor might have other reasons than big $$ and state of the art equipment to stick around here on the Island?

Or does it not apply to other fields of work?


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think about it logically. as i said, other places outside pei have a: newer bulidings. b: the latest equip. c: more money for recruitment, bonus etc. it should stand to reason the best would go other places right?


I am thinking about it logically. We used "you" as an example. You are one of the top 10 in your field across Canada - but you stay here for your own reasons. Don't you think a doctor might have other reasons than big $$ and state of the art equipment to stick around here on the Island?

Or does it not apply to other fields of work?


i didnt go to school for 10 + years and run up 200,000 or so in student loans. as well the tools i work with are very modern, while not up to the latest gagetry out there, what i work with is likely within the last 5 years or so.
the qeh has equipment for gods sake thats almost out dated. take the mamogram machine for example. it almost didnt get licensed because it left spots o n the mammogram. how many doctors have left pei because the gov't cant pay , or wont pay. how many have publicly said they are leaving because of the conditons they work under?
i'm geussing here, but i think you might be able to entice a top notch professional to saty and work in any feild, if they have the best equipment to work with , or even very good equipment. that allows you to over look a smaller salary, but when you dont have both, and you can get both somewhere else?....................


my wife, when they were trying to diagnose her a couple of years ago, needed a test done. fine . they did the test here, but had to ship the whole kit andkaboodle to halifax to be diagnosed. the reason? it was an expensive test and the governement didnt want to pay the 1200.00 to have it tested here. 1200.00. for a tax payer on our fair island. and supposedly a simple test too, according to her dr's. evn they were shaking there head on that one. there in lies my point, i sat in the specialists office and listened to her complaining about how she ( the specialist "at times wished she hadnt come to pei, because its so damn hard to get anything done" i've said more then my wife would ever want me to , so at this point i think i'll quit.


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think about it logically. as i said, other places outside pei have a: newer bulidings. b: the latest equip. c: more money for recruitment, bonus etc. it should stand to reason the best would go other places right?


I am thinking about it logically. We used "you" as an example. You are one of the top 10 in your field across Canada - but you stay here for your own reasons. Don't you think a doctor might have other reasons than big $$ and state of the art equipment to stick around here on the Island?

Or does it not apply to other fields of work?


i didnt go to school for 10 + years and run up 200,000 or so in student loans. as well the tools i work with are very modern, while not up to the latest gagetry out there, what i work with is likely within the last 5 years or so.
the qeh has equipment for gods sake thats almost out dated. take the mamogram machine for example. it almost didnt get licensed because it left spots o n the mammogram. how many doctors have left pei because the gov't cant pay , or wont pay. how many have publicly said they are leaving because of the conditons they work under?
i'm geussing here, but i think you might be able to entice a top notch professional to saty and work in any feild, if they have the best equipment to work with , or even very good equipment. that allows you to over look a smaller salary, but when you dont have both, and you can get both somewhere else?....................


my wife, when they were trying to diagnose her a couple of years ago, needed a test done. fine . they did the test here, but had to ship the whole kit andkaboodle to halifax to be diagnosed. the reason? it was an expensive test and the governement didnt want to pay the 1200.00 to have it tested here. 1200.00. for a tax payer on our fair island. and supposedly a simple test too, according to her dr's. evn they were shaking there head on that one. there in lies my point, i sat in the specialists office and listened to her complaining about how she ( the specialist "at times wished she hadnt come to pei, because its so damn hard to get anything done" i've said more then my wife would ever want me to , so at this point i think i'll quit.


Well thanks for using your personal experiences to prove your points. I won't hold them against you.

I think though that with the majority of your complaints, the fault doesn't lie on the doctors themselves, but on the government who is reluctant to pay for top notch health care.


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just checking here, but no fault to the gp who wouldnt admit after almost 2 years it was time to refer her to a specialist? after countless tests, repeated tests even?
no fault to dr fong or wong, when my wife tried to tell him about a related sympton and he dismissed her and told her he'd ask the questions and to be quiet?
kudos to the fianl specialist who listened intently and when my wife mentioned the same thing said i'll be right back, and about 5 min later walked in with the diagnosis, which turns out to be right i might add ( she went to check her computer for symptons or something). the same thing she told dr fong or wong or whatever but he dismissed her.
but no fault to the first two for prolonging her suffereing for no reason. no sir.


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just checking here, but no fault to the gp who wouldnt admit after almost 2 years it was time to refer her to a specialist? after countless tests, repeated tests even?
no fault to dr fong or wong, when my wife tried to tell him about a related sympton and he dismissed her and told her he'd ask the questions and to be quiet?
kudos to the fianl specialist who listened intently and when my wife mentioned the same thing said i'll be right back, and about 5 min later walked in with the diagnosis, which turns out to be right i might add ( she went to check her computer for symptons or something). the same thing she told dr fong or wong or whatever but he dismissed her.
but no fault to the first two for prolonging her suffereing for no reason. no sir.


Dr. Wong is a pediatrician. Maybe you are referring to Dr. King? He was (now retired) the ob/gyn in Summerside.

I can totally understand your frustration and anger over your experiences; I would be pissed too! However, we always hear the bad stories and not the good. Do you want me to match you story for story about good experiences I've had? My mother in law has breast cancer in her family. Upon her doctor's insistence, she had more-than-regular testing to catch any abnormalties in her breasts. Sure enough, they found pre-cancer cells and gave her the choice of what to do next (treatment or masectomy). She chose to have the breast removed and she's never had any cancerous cells since. Testing continues on a very tight schedule.

My aunt who lived in N.S. wasn't so lucky. After being diagnosed with breast cancer, she was treated and overcame it. However, her doctor didn't think it necessary to have follow up testing and guess what? She ended up having cancer again - which could have been caught had they taken her case seriously enough. She passed away last spring. This was a doctor in Halifax - the place you praise - and yes, I consider their actions as negligent and possibly lawsuit worthy.

I don't want to turn this into a pissing contest. My only point throughout the whole topic was that I don't think all doctors on PEI should be painted with your generalization. Emotions are obvious in your posts, and I think that is what motivates you.


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sorry it was dr fong, i think , ear eyes nose throat.


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i havent even begun to relate the whole breast cancer scare of 98....... now that was total neglect on both her gp and the hospitals part. to sum it up , they botched 4 mamograms, never told her whether it was benign or malignant, but managed to refer her to dr ashby the surgeon, who asked her what she was doing in his office. my wife looked at him kind of funny, and he said you never got the results did you? to which she replied, no.he said i assumed because you were here , you wanted to have the lump removed. my wife thought she was having the breast removed. ashby wasnt impressed and wrote a very scathing letter to both her gp and the mammogram dept at the hospital.
god what a summer that was. i hope to god no one ever has to go through a breast cancer scare, or for that matter any cancer scare.


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Ohhhh I could say some bad things about the health care on the Island, but I'll limit it to 1 example.

I had eaten some wild shellfish and the next day was very ill. I went to see the doctor right away. Was sent home without an antibiotic. Had the lab tests done. The day after the tests were supposed to be back, a 40 pound lighter version of me went to the doctors office. The doctor seemed confused about the results of the lab tests and went off to see someone. The Doctor came back over 30 min later and said they had to ask 1/2 the medical center to find out what it was.

To make matters worse, the infection was considered potentially communicable. The doctor was discussing all this in a voice that assured everyone in the wing of the medical center knew all my medical case.

Later that day, my pharmacist showed me the definition of the bacteria on the form, Campylobacter. He then said every doctor on PEI has the book he gave me the info from. Why did I have to go to a pharmacist to get info my doctor should have provided. Why did a GP not understand the results of a routine bacteria culture?

But hey, at least I didn't ever have a doctor and nurse standing at the end of the bed discussing amputation of limbs, like I did in Moncton (severe frostbite). They didn't seem to be involving me in the discussion, so I walked out of the hospital and headed home.

It took a bit of special care at home and was pretty painful. Chemgurl will remember laughing at me as I walked around the machine shop in rather girlie slippers, as they were the only things I could put on my feet :)

Hey...I still have my feet...had I not taken a powder...I'm not real sure I'd still be able to say that.

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My grandfather (when he was still alive) complained of pain in his arms, etc.. lots of other symptoms. They treated him for arthritis for 3 years, and then after SEVERE pain, and loooking into it, he was diagnosed with cancer and died a year later..

Wrong diagnosis can happen for sure, they are only human, but it was the lack of checking into anything, and just brushing it off as arthritis.. now that's annoying! :evil:


You are right...but over a 3 year period is it possible that something else developed? Did he have arthritis? Was this bone pain...i'm just not sure without details.

if and when i get really sick...i'm pretty sure i'll skip over and stay with family in Nova Scotia...at least they have a health care plan in that province...it may not be great, but its heads above the crap we have here...even getting to see a 'lousy' doctor takes forever....more ways to die in the health system, in pei, than you can shake a stethascope[sp] at...

People considering a move here, especially with kids...should factor the lousy health care...considerably....it is an added expense to life that have a moving pricetag....usually increasing over years.....


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