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PostPosted: March 29th, 2006, 10:29 am 
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I didn't exagerate any of what happened to me when I came here.. and I don't think anyone else has either... I'm sorry to break it to you, Crimespree.. but people from away are sometimes treated like crap when they first arrive on PEI... I think my expereince stemmed from the fact that my first contact with Islanders was with 11 and 12 year old children, who had been going to school together since they were 5 or 6 years old.. and already had their established groups.. that makes an already shy kid go more into their shell... and I pretty much stayed in my shell until I met Chrystal Beairsto at 16... she ahd a huge part in pulling me out of that shell... I'm still quiet, but it's not because I'm afraid to speak up.. *L*
My mom had a totally different experience... she is a lot more outgoing than myself, and she made friends with the people she works with fairly easily.. I think she was accepted easier because she is a lot more confidant than myself, which can make the people around you more receptive...

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I just want to point out to those who are thinking of coming to the Island that I've lived in or near Charlottetown since 1989, except for 5 non-consecutive months in 2002... I love it here, and I don't plan on moving away again, regardless of how I was treated when I first arrived... I'm with Kreskin in saying that the anti-PFA mentality is disappearing.. and I'd recommend PEI to anyone who is thinking of relocating...

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IMO, some members seem to exagerrate those stories and the impact it has had on their lives


Quite possibly, but pretending that those attitudes do not exist does not help either. Problems that people refuse to recognize will never go away. Acknowledging a problem and striving to help eliminate it is a much more positive attitude.

Not acknowledging the potential of the kinds of attitudes they may encounter when/if these good folks move to PEI might also have the undesirble impact of setting them up for disappointment when or if they encounter it after their move to paradise.

If they can be advised of the possibility, they can arrive with the proper attitude, shrug it off if it happens and have a good life on PEI.

I think that is all that any of us PFA's (Persons From Away) are trying to say here.




PS. Did I also mention that Islanders are very sensitive about criticisms, even well intentioned constructive criticisms, made by PFA's :lol:


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Did I mention any names???? :lol:


Is there anyone else on this board that gets hassled about his age? :wink:


You're just at the age that everyone can hassle you. They don't hassle me because I'm over that age and they have to treat me with respect. :lol:


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Yup, I'd be willing too. I've been wanting to put my two cents in every time this comes up and think the people that take it to heart might be missing the sense of humor. Either that or they are very unlucky.


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Great place to live and bring up a family. Problem is with your level of education will you be able to find enjoyable work. If you have medical problems is the health system up to your needs now and in the future. :wink:


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If you have medical problems is the health system up to your needs now and in the future. :wink:


I don't think we have 3rd world healthcare here. It may not be as high as some parts of Canada but it's not worse then it is in some parts either. Our major problem is attracting new doctors, which in turn leaves some without a family doctor. It's not like people are dying from Polio here or something.


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I didn't exagerate any of what happened to me when I came here.. and I don't think anyone else has either... I'm sorry to break it to you, Crimespree.. but people from away are sometimes treated like crap when they first arrive on PEI...

I don't believe you are exaggerating, but I also don't believe it would have mattered where you moved too. I think what you went through likely would have happened if you moved anywhere in Canada, not just PEI.

That's the only problem I have with everyone who said it's hard to fit in or whatever. Or course it's hard, and some people aren't going to like you, but your gonna run into this problem anywhere you go too, not just on PEI I think.


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your gonna run into this problem anywhere you go too, not just on PEI I think.

Again, allow me to speak from personal experience. I have lived in 5 provinces and almost a dozen towns and cities, from towns as small as Kensington to cities as large as Montréal. Not even in those small towns in other provinces, did I experience the kind of shunning I experienced here. Because of my previous experience of relocating (being easily accepted into the community) and because my family is a well known Island family, I was quite taken aback by the hostility I was greeted with by some ... I was totally unprepared for it.

But that was 20+ years ago ... direct long distance dialing had just arrived, the ATM's that I had gotten used to elsewhere were still 8 years away, cable television was still a bit of a novelty and the DVA (with its influx of people with more cosmopolitan attitudes) had just opened.

It certainly is much better than it used to be, but it is still there in the older generations and smaller villages.


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One point I will make, and maybe Sirius has this view or maybe not: the UK is probably one of the rudest places to come from. Ignorance, not looking you in the eye and general looks of disgust are a daily occurence.

So if someone makes the effort to gossip about me in any way, to my face or not, I would be pretty impressed :lol:


I'm joining in on this conversation a little late in the game, but one point I want to make is about this comment of yours, justintime. I am an islander currently living in England and while I have met a lot of lovely people and made great friends here, I agree that on the street in an anonymous sense people aren't overly friendly (have been pushed out of the way before while waiting with loads of groceries for the bus). Whatever criticisms of PEI that the members of this messageboard have of how quickly (or slowly) they were accepted into the community, I think that almost anyone who has been to PEI will tell you that in general everyone is very friendly to strangers on the street, from clerks in stores to people holding the door open for you and telling you to have a nice day. I think that the majority of islanders are friendly and outgoing at least in this respect.

As for living a quiet life, PEI is a great place to do it. We don't exactly have any major bustling cities!


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One point I will make, and maybe Sirius has this view or maybe not: the UK is probably one of the rudest places to come from. Ignorance, not looking you in the eye and general looks of disgust are a daily occurence.

So if someone makes the effort to gossip about me in any way, to my face or not, I would be pretty impressed :lol:


I'm joining in on this conversation a little late in the game, but one point I want to make is about this comment of yours, justintime. I am an islander currently living in England and while I have met a lot of lovely people and made great friends here, I agree that on the street in an anonymous sense people aren't overly friendly (have been pushed out of the way before while waiting with loads of groceries for the bus). Whatever criticisms of PEI that the members of this messageboard have of how quickly (or slowly) they were accepted into the community, I think that almost anyone who has been to PEI will tell you that in general everyone is very friendly to strangers on the street, from clerks in stores to people holding the door open for you and telling you to have a nice day. I think that the majority of islanders are friendly and outgoing at least in this respect.

As for living a quiet life, PEI is a great place to do it. We don't exactly have any major bustling cities!

Good points. Last time I was in Charlottetown I was pleased at how friendly everyone was and I was made welcome. When I got back to Wales I was shocked on the first day in town at the bad language and behaviour I experienced. When in PEI I hadn't noticed how relaxed it was at the time, but when I got back it was that same old familiar tensing up when you pass a couple of teenagers, etc.

I must admit, I do worry a bit about some of the things I've read here, because being English born and living in Wales is no picnic I can assure you. I want to get away from that sort of thing not go into a similar situation. When we come over to live in PEI later in the year we will be keeping an open mind and hope to make lots of new friends out there and everything I've experienced in PEI so far bears that out. We are very positive about the move.


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justintime wrote:
So if someone makes the effort to gossip about me in any way, to my face or not, I would be pretty impressed :lol:



While not a PFA, I have experienced this "Island attitude" on occasion. When I first moved to Charlottetown, I was dumbfounded at how some people treated me, even though I had lived my whole life only 30 minutes to the east.

So, really, it's not an Island mentality as much as, in my opinion, it is a community attitude. As well, I've come to believe that what others think of me is none of my business. If they want to let me live in their heads, so be it; if they need to speak ill of me for their own personal gratification, then let them. Let them think what they want. I have neither the time, nor the energy, to worry about what "they" might think of me. I have a life to live, and live it I shall; not according to how others thinks I should be living it, but rather by how I think I should be living it.

justintime, you have the right outlook and attitude. You'd make a great PFA!!

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Riki, I said "in my opinion", and "some people", nothing I said was directed at anyone specifically. That being said, everything you have described seems to be exactly what any 'new kid' experiences anywhere, if fact I think you've said yourself it was a case of being the 'new kid' more than anything.

From 30 years of my own personal experience on the Island it's my opinion that newcomers to the Island are generally welcomed and that the 'From Away'ers are rarely shunned anymore than anyone else.

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Actually.... with me.. being the new kid was only part of it.. seeing that this alienation lasted from when I was 11 to 16... I went from being the new kid, to the new, painfully shy kid... then, as I got older, I was the painfully shy sick kid... which I'm sure makes the alienation much worse than just being born off Island... so, lots of factors in there...
The biggest ribbing I got about being a PFA was from a teacher in high school... this teacher prided himself on knowing who was related to each of his students.... since I do have a famous Island surname, he tried several places on the Island were my family could be from.. I took great pride in telling him that he was wrong, every time.. *L*

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You might find this site a valuable reference:

A survey of recent immigrants to Prince Edward Island was undertaken last year by Dr Godfrey Baldacchino, Canada Research Chair in Island Studies at the University of Prince Edward Island. The study solicited stories and voices of immigrants about the reasons for coming to, and staying on, PEI.

http://www.islandstudies.ca/Settlers%20to%20PEI/

and comments on CBC

http://www.cbc.ca/pei/story/immigration ... 60316.html


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If you have medical problems is the health system up to your needs now and in the future. :wink:


I don't think we have 3rd world healthcare here. It may not be as high as some parts of Canada but it's not worse then it is in some parts either. Our major problem is attracting new doctors, which in turn leaves some without a family doctor. It's not like people are dying from Polio here or something.

All I am saying is that healrhcare on the island is not of the same efficieny as if you were living in large city like toronto.Halifax,Montreal. or Ottawa. I would imagine that your healthcare needs will be attended to but sometimes you will have to leave the island to see a specialist in another province. Tell the guy the facts!
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After the Island's tourist seassion if you do not have an Island 'name' then people always treat you as an outsider, unless you can talk your way into a link with the Island. My last name is 100% not from PEI and as soon as I mention it, the first words out of an Islander's mouth is some combination of, 'That's not an Island name" and their physical and conversational attitude changes to match their comment.

Applying for jobs, looking for a mate or social coffee are all coluored by this seperation. And it is highetned outside of the Islander's tourist seassion.

You want to live peacfully, in a socaily safe community then PEI is one of the best places left in Canada to come to. Employment and Health Care as others have pointed out are also the largest drawbacks to the province. I made a life in PEI for 15 years and enjoyed most of them, when I have the chance I would be happy to return as long as I have employment and health care issues answered before I return.


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Thanks again for all the comments and advice. :)

It sounds to me that P.E.I. is still going to be friendlier than where I've lived in the past and will be similar to where I am now. I've lived in some rough areas before (living 200 metres from drug dealers was fun), so P.E.I. and it's quirkiness still sounds appealing.

I have always had very little to do with my neighbours, but enough to say hello and have a chat etc. The current neighbours (both sides of us) have said they are dreading when we eventually leave this area and the landlord has told us to stay for as long as we want, as we are very quiet, clean and well-mannered.

If one or both of us get a job offer in P.E.I., can live unhindered in a rented flat/townhouse/anything liveable, it will be a start. We're not expecting miracles on arrival.

Then after a few settled years we'll start thinking about making another member of the P.E.I. community :lol:


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Mucka wrote:
You might find this site a valuable reference:

A survey of recent immigrants to Prince Edward Island was undertaken last year by Dr Godfrey Baldacchino, Canada Research Chair in Island Studies at the University of Prince Edward Island. The study solicited stories and voices of immigrants about the reasons for coming to, and staying on, PEI.

http://www.islandstudies.ca/Settlers%20to%20PEI/

and comments on CBC

http://www.cbc.ca/pei/story/immigration ... 60316.html


Thank you for providing those links. Always nice to have one's personal experiences/observations backed up by an objective scientific study.


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Let me belly up to the bar on this one... I was born in Summerside, promptly left the island at the age of one month. (Military father) Mother from the west end of Summerside she was born and bred here..

Old man was transferred back here 14 years later after we lived all over Canada. Enrolled at Summerside High School. Quite simply the most horrific clique ridden bully filled school I had ever attended. It was terrible. The only friends I had were other PFA'ers. I was an outcast because I wasn't an Arsenault/Gallant and my parents were not related!
Not fun enrolling in a school half way through the year, I had done it before but it was never that bad.

Father decided to retire, bought a property 30 mins outside of town. Time for a new school in the sticks. What a difference. Talk about being welcomed! I was probably the only kid that ever transferred in there, but this small school was the best I ever went to. Ton of friends, school sport teams etc, I look back on it fondly and still spit when I drive by SIS.

Just goes to show that not all islanders have thier head up their ass when it comes to strangers. The ones that do are the ignorant ones who consider themselves sophisticated because they live in 'a' city that has the population of a Toronto office tower and consider fine dining the local dairy bar


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