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 Post subject: Organ Donation
PostPosted: February 20th, 2006, 3:52 pm 
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I saw a blurb on the Ontario news that a (I think) provincial minister in Ontario wants to change the rules about how organs are harvested..
Currently, when a person is considered brain dead, their family is consulted about possible donation.. harvesting isn't done until the family give the ok, whether the patient signed an organ donor card or not...
What this minister wants to do is change the rules so that if a patient's organs can be harvested, they will, unless the family objects, whether the person has signed an organ donor card or not...
Myself, I'm in favor of this plan.. it will save thousands of lives, perhaps even my own...
I'm wondering what everyone else thinks on this...

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I saw a blurb on the Ontario news that a (I think) provincial minister in Ontario wants to change the rules about how organs are harvested..
Currently, when a person is considered brain dead, their family is consulted about possible donation.. harvesting isn't done until the family give the ok, whether the patient signed an organ donor card or not...
What this minister wants to do is change the rules so that if a patient's organs can be harvested, they will, unless the family objects, whether the person has signed an organ donor card or not...
Myself, I'm in favor of this plan.. it will save thousands of lives, perhaps even my own...
I'm wondering what everyone else thinks on this...


I don't think it will go further than the Minister's thought! I can see the lawyers licking their lips with this one!

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I'm OK with it myself, ... mind you I don't think any part of me would be of any use to anyone at this point!
But what is done to me after I'm dead is irevilent (sp) don't matter, ...


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I found a link to the story..... for those who want more info

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Health

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I can't see this idea getting approval. There are too many people who would object based on religious and emotional reasons.


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Location: Canada, eh?
I'd be for it. The thing about signing the card is the deal's done, and there is no having to decide at the last minute. That part is what's nice about having the card.

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Why can't they just change it so that if you HAVE an organ donor card, then they will proceed with organ harvesting....regardless of what the family thinks?


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That's a good question, tracy... as it is, an organ donor card is not legally binding... so they still have to ask the family... it doesn't matter if the patient signed the organ donor card or not..

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I don't see the problem with it myself. If a person is dead and/or has no chance of coming out of it....then what's the problem? If it saves lives, that should be all that matters, that's my opinion. I will be a donor when I pass on one day. Same with my mother, we both signed and served as eachother's witnesses (in the States, you and your witness signs the back of your driver's license).

However, I don't think it will fly because for some , because as stated before, it would become a religious & emotional issue.


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And the point is????

If you have an organ donor card - or the red heart on your DL - then make sure your family understands exactly where you stand on the issue.

Draw up an agreement with the family - consult a lawyer if you need to - but put in writing exactly how you want the hospital to proceed should there ever be a DNR.

And make sure you doctor understands - or the staff when you are admitted. (provided you can talk to them).

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And the point is????

If you have an organ donor card - or the red heart on your DL - then make sure your family understands exactly where you stand on the issue.

Draw up an agreement with the family - consult a lawyer if you need to - but put in writing exactly how you want the hospital to proceed should there ever be a DNR.

And make sure you doctor understands - or the staff when you are admitted. (provided you can talk to them).

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That's a good point philip. It would be better to have it in writing other than a organ donor card or signature on a license. I think lawyers draw up papers for that don't they? Kind of like a will type document.....not sure.


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philipw wrote:
And the point is????

If you have an organ donor card - or the red heart on your DL - then make sure your family understands exactly where you stand on the issue.

Draw up an agreement with the family - consult a lawyer if you need to - but put in writing exactly how you want the hospital to proceed should there ever be a DNR.

And make sure you doctor understands - or the staff when you are admitted. (provided you can talk to them).

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That's a good point philip. It would be better to have it in writing other than a organ donor card or signature on a license. I think lawyers draw up papers for that don't they? Kind of like a will type document.....not sure.


Yep - nearly any lawyer can help you set up a DNR and donor document.

And as far as I know - once you have a lawyer involved then the document once registered takes precedent over any family wishes.

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The thing is that in Canada, organs can't be harvested until the person is brain dead right? But, isn't that sometimes too late? It doesn't matter if the person has signed a donor card or not, or if the family has a say in it, the organs might not be any good by the time they're allowed to harvest the organs anyways.. If they want to make a change in legislation, they should change it so that if the person can't or has requested not to be resucitated, the organs can be harvested immediately, before brain death.

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Well it depends.

Many brain dead people can be kept alive for a long period on a machine. All vital organs remains mostly fully functional for the duration. Except the brain. And that is not used in transplants (daval aside).

Where it gets tricky is when there are extenuating factors in the brain death. For example, a body badly damaged in a car accident, and technically brain dead, would need any harvestable organs processed very quickly to protect them.

Simply because life support was not likely available on scene and the organs began to deteriorate.

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People should draw up a Health Care Directive. This can be done by yourself, and signed by a couple of witnesses, and make it KNOWN to family members what your wishes are. I checked with a lawyer, and the hospital, and they will accept this document should something occur. Health care directives, are mainly for stating your wishes should you become incapacitated and not able to tell the doctors what you want, this way a lot of grief is saved to you family, as they are not the ones who have to make the decision and will be at peace knowing that the ultimate result is one that you decided on your own.


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People should draw up a Health Care Directive. This can be done by yourself, and signed by a couple of witnesses, and make it KNOWN to family members what your wishes are. I checked with a lawyer, and the hospital, and they will accept this document should something occur. Health care directives, are mainly for stating your wishes should you become incapacitated and not able to tell the doctors what you want, this way a lot of grief is saved to you family, as they are not the ones who have to make the decision and will be at peace knowing that the ultimate result is one that you decided on your own.


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All through this thread, the discussion has been put it in writing, advise your family and doctors. There seems to a problem still for this. Even in writing, even informing family, friends or doctors, doesn't mean YOUR wishes will be fulfilled. I know in some cases, even if you inform the doctor you do not wish to be recesitated if your heart stops, even if you have it in writing, the doctors or family members can override YOURdecision because now you are considered incompassitated. The same goes with your Will. Family members disagree with YOUR decision and they take the document to court and have it dissolved and they divide everything up the way they want or how the court best sees fit.

There has to be a better way of having your decision, be it organ donations, recesitation or Wills, enforced. These are decision a person is making with the hope they will be accepted and not overturned.

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I guess you have to trust the ones looking out for you that your wishes will be taken and proceeded with. I come from a family of health care providers, and there is no way anyone will overrule my wishes. It is totally heartless in doing that to someone by not respecting their wishes. Who wants to be sitting in a vegetative state, or even for all that matters wind up in a nursing home able to sit in a chair, not move, understand what is going on around you, and knowing the situation you are in? It makes it really hard for the family, and the person that is left in this situation when their wishes were overturned.. They tend to become hateful and resent everything they are living for.

With organ donations, I am willing to give everything I have, but I have a real problem with giving my corneas.. I guess by the time I go if they are still ok.. I will change and give consent for them to take them.


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PostPosted: February 23rd, 2006, 6:58 pm 
Forget about the debate over getting the family's permission to allow for harvesting a person's organs. Today's CNN.com has a story on how men were charged for illegally forging documents, digging up graves and harvesting organs then selling them throughout USA & Canada to earn millions of dollars. :shock:

If the normal channels of organ donation and distribution are circumvented so easily, why make it an even similer process?


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Forget about the debate over getting the family's permission to allow for harvesting a person's organs. Today's CNN.com has a story on how men were charged for illegally forging documents, digging up graves and harvesting organs then selling them throughout USA & Canada to earn millions of dollars. :shock:

If the normal channels of organ donation and distribution are circumvented so easily, why make it an even similer process?


That disgusting... not to mention that it probably wouldn't work... the organs would be dead by the time they were buried... you would think that the health care providers that were getting these organs would be able to tell that they weren't going to work... and hopefully they did before they were transplanted into people....

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