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PostPosted: July 27th, 2004, 12:17 pm 
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Wasn't trying to be personal Kreskin just after all these years I sometimes get my back up when so called experts from away tell us residents what is wrong with us and our fair Island. I have no problem with people regardless where they are from suggesting new ideas but just to complain well that is another matter.
Sure we have problems here but so does everywhere, it is how you handle them that makes the difference.
It is kind of amazing how all the bad things get said and everyone seems to forget the good stuff that goes on around here.
Kreskin I am sure that you can move anywhere in this world and if you start telling the locals what is wrong with them and their life style you will get the same reaction from them as you will get from us.
To say that PEI only attracts poor Drs. is not only an insult to all the fine medical people who work on this Isle but also to all people who go to them for help. If you had a bad experience you have my sympathy but please don't condemn all medical people.
I have had my say on this subject and that is all you will hear from me on this topic.
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Kreskin I am sure that you can move anywhere in this world and if you start telling the locals what is wrong with them and their life style you will get the same reaction from them as you will get from us.
Again, not my experience in any of the places I've lived. In those places, when you criticize the place or lifestyle, the usual response is "you don't know the half of it yet" or "you think THAT's bad, well here is something worse". I guess those people were just a little more cosmopolitan or a little less insecure.

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To say that PEI only attracts poor Drs. is not only an insult to all the fine medical people who work on this Isle but also to all people who go to them for help. If you had a bad experience you have my sympathy but please don't condemn all medical people.

I wasn't aware that I had comdemned all medical people. I said "seems". Whatever. From personal experience, I've encountered two superb doctors and 4 or 5 moderately competent doctors and the rest that I have personally dealt are, well ... let's just say that they are likely on PEI because no one else would have them (I know that to be the case with at least one doctor in Summerside I am acquainted with ... who by the way, did indeed finish at the bottom of his class at Dal). I guess that it is just my bad luck that I and my family members seem to end up with all the dregs for the most part, eh?


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Sweet Jaysus,,, Buddee, your post brought tears to my eyes. Bang on with out a doubt..

People, read and understand what the above said..


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All these negative comments.

I ask you all: "What the hell you still doing living here?"

Sure, PEI has problems. EVERY PLACE DOES.

Billy, you sound like a guy who wants to make the most out of your life. With that attitude, one can happily live anywhere. I welcome you to the Island.

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PostPosted: July 27th, 2004, 7:31 pm 
I think the basic thing you have to do is secure employment on the island if you want to live there! Once that has been achieved everything else will fall into place! Islanders are basically extremely good people Myself I will retire to the island but I will have my pension to live on. If I get a little job here and there thats fine! I already got a little job fixing some guys cement patio blocks outside his house in Summerside!
I otta get a coke and a free meal outta that job! :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: PEI or Bust? Just between us Islanders.
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I feel obliged to assist our fellow Canadian from the left coast...

Billy_B wrote:
- Cost of living is low


Usually accompanies a lower quality of life

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- Public Education is better


Like the other poster said, big classes that aren't getting any smaller. Ever try to study in an unheated mobile? That's one of those times when rain really is better than snow.

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- Health care there can't be worse than here


Don't get sick for a year or so. That's about how long it takes to get a family doctor. That's also how long it takes to be seen at outpatients on an average night.

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- Jobs can be found (Computer Specialist and Certified Teacher)


Yes we get those in off-Island papers. What's important is whether you can say "Welcome to Tim Hortons"

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- Nice property choices under 100K (similar here is 250k)


I have an old shed I'll sell you for 100K.

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- Neighborly Neighbors. Community


Boy are they neighborly. They'll even invite themselves into your house at 3 in the morning for a spot of tea, a little chat, and whatever valuables you have on hand.

Billy_B wrote:
- Tons of things to do.


Actually, it's the same thing, just over and over and over and....but we're getting a Home Depot, that should help.

Billy_B wrote:
- Real winters (7 months of winter or 7 months of rain)


See freezing mobiles, see also the hill in Hunter River

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- Politically a majority of Left/Libralists


Well, the bullsh*t smells the same on either side of that fence, so....

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- Jobs can be found (Computer Specialist and Certified Teacher)


Yes we get those in off-Island papers. What's important is whether you can say "Welcome to Tim Hortons"



I applied at Tim Horton's back last spring... When I went in for the interview, the interviewer took one look at my resume and asked me why I didn't apply at Watts... My already bad impression of DP Murphy Inc got worse in less than 5 minutes...

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All these negative comments.

I ask you all: "What the hell you still doing living here?"



Excellent question! Answers...anyone?? :roll:


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AND YOU HAVE THE "G.D." GALL TO WONDER WHY WE NEVER CONSIDER YOU ISLANDERS?

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Well I happen to love living in PEI. All of my family is still here and the ones who went out to BC are back now. Sure, there are some things not so great, but after taking so many trips for my work, Calgary, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Halifax, Moncton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, I am glad to call myself and PEIer! Of those cities I visited the ONLY one I would ever consider moving to would be to Otawa, as I love the city it is beautiful. I am lucky, I have job I love, my daughter is in a great school and becoming biligual, and learning so much, her classes are not large, we have a family doctor, etc,

I don't take vacations off Island in the summer

And why

Because I am and Islander...what more beautiful place is there in the summer (usually pending sun!)


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Sure, there are some things not so great,

And I think that is all that we are trying to point out to Billy_B, who seemed to think that all the problems he is experiencing in BC will go away if he moves to PEI.

I love PEI. My family goes back to the late 1700's here and I have a ton of family here. I am now an Islander by choice and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Don't mistake my complaining about a couple of issues as meaning that I hate PEI. It means that I care. I want to see things improve. Because I know that it could be improved. I have had the fortune to live in other places throughout my life and I have seen that these certain things can indeed be better in certain areas. Islanders who have never experienced a better quality of medical care or education by living elsewhere, accept lower standards without question and rarely push for the higher standards that other Canadians enjoy. Someone who doesn't know that the wheel shouldn't be squeaking is never going to lubricate it.

My dad (Island born and raised) used to tell me that people who got their hackles up whenever a PFA commented unfavourably upon some aspect of the Island or life on the Island were usually the same people who were holding the Island back ... rather than try learn from the criticism and try to improve things, they would retreat into their shells while telling the PFA's to get lost. That attitude was prevalent in his day, and apparently still is is to some extent today.

Fortunately, the younger generations are growing up being a little more cosmopolitan in their attitudes.


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Sure, there are some things not so great,

And I think that is all that we are trying to point out to Billy_B, who seemed to think that all the problems he is experiencing in BC will go away if he moves to PEI.

I love PEI. My family goes back to the late 1700's here and I have a ton of family here. I am now an Islander by choice and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Don't mistake my complaining about a couple of issues as meaning that I hate PEI. It means that I care. I want to see things improve. Because I know that it could be improved. I have had the fortune to live in other places throughout my life and I have seen that these certain things can indeed be better in certain areas. Islanders who have never experienced a better quality of medical care or education by living elsewhere, accept lower standards without question and rarely push for the higher standards that other Canadians enjoy. Someone who doesn't know that the wheel shouldn't be squeaking is never going to lubricate it.

My dad (Island born and raised) used to tell me that people who got their hackles up whenever a PFA commented unfavourably upon some aspect of the Island or life on the Island were usually the same people who were holding the Island back ... rather than try learn from the criticism and try to improve things, they would retreat into their shells while telling the PFA's to get lost. That attitude was prevalent in his day, and apparently still is is to some extent today.

Fortunately, the younger generations are growing up being a little more cosmopolitan in their attitudes.


Never would have thought you hated PEI....I just wanted to say how much I love it here! :D And you are right about not living in other places so we don't know what else is out there....Great point! :D Pros and cons to all eh!!!!!!!!!! 8)


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I obviously blew a bit of a gasket in my post (glad you thought it was useful, though, Calico). The Island's a small place, and one of the most frustrating things is that you can't really criticize much about its public policy without finding yourself indirectly criticizing neighbours, old friends, and family members.

I do get very upset about Islanders' indifference to the literacy crisis. Islandsoccermom has pointed out that there are some excellent schools on the Island, and I'm glad her daughter is getting a great education. Unfortunately, way too many Island kids are getting cheated out of a normal education, and out of future opportunities -- and, incredibly, Islanders don't seem very concerned about this.

I'm more bothered than usual right now, as at this time of year you run into kids who've just finished school (or who've just dropped out). These are just average, normal kids you've watched grow up, and I see them settling for so little. The girls especially just don't seem to have a sense of self-worth, and they don't see how much opportunity there is in this country right now. They're encouraged to be good little Island girls and "not make waves," "to know your place" -- and they'll soon get stuck with whatever clown first proposes marriage -- or they'll soon be abandoned by the no-good jerk and left with little education and a bunch of kids to feed. I've seen this happen so many times, I could barf.

Kreskin has made the excellent point that Islanders tend to be very hostile to criticism of PEI. -- Yeah, just like alcoholics don't like being told they've got a drinking problem, and heroin addicts are pretty touchy about being told that they're junkies. There is something very wrong in a society in which many parents see education as nothing more than "a stupid piece of paper." And society's political "leaders" are showing very little leadership on this issue.

champ stated: "Sure we have problems here but so does everywhere, it is how you handle them that makes the difference." I agree with him whole-heartedly.

It's not very good etiquette to pour gasoline all over the discussion board and then split -- but I'm going to be on the road for a week or so, and won't be around to make additional harsh, nasty remarks.

Honest guys, I'm not trying to just mindlessly trash the Island (Kreskin, sounds like our ancestors were on the same boat). Lately, I've just run into more than the usual number of Island kids -- perfectly normal kids who should be looking forward to great lives -- who are being cheated out of their futures by the adult society that should be looking out for them. And it really, really pisses me off.


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JIGPIG wrote:
Rob MacD wrote:
All these negative comments.

I ask you all: "What the hell you still doing living here?"



Excellent question! Answers...anyone?? :roll:


I don't. My family do, well, the ones who are still poor as dirt. It's odd, the ones who stayed are still up sh*t creek without a paddle, living hand to mouth. The ones who left are materially successful, to a greater degree by comparison.

I talk with my Mom about things, and when I remarked that my life took a sharp turn for the better after leaving PEI she replied that she wished the whole family had left the Island years ago (like, back in the Stone Age, 50s or so). But they were afraid to leave with no money, no contacts outside the Island.

I like to visit the Island still. But I am no longer an Islander. To call me one is not a compliment, it is an insult.


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People who have left.. and have not been here for years... they don't see how things are changing.. believe it or not, things aren't so bad... we've got problems for sure, but everywhere you go has it's own set of problems... I don't want to leave the Island.. I've lived here since I was 11.. it's home... I have left in the past.. but it wasn't because I didn't like it here... It wasn't because I couldn't find work... because I quit a job to leave... People who are able bodied should be able to find work just about anywhere... mind you, it probably will only pay minimum wage... but that's one of the things here that need to be changed... Believe it or not, the Island is not as backwards as it used to be....

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Another tidbit of information for Billy_B ...

Island crime rate takes jump
WebPosted Jul 29 2004 06:27 AM ADT

CHARLOTTETOWN — P.E.I.'s crime rate is up sharply, fueled largely by an increase in the number of drunk driving cases and property crimes.

A Statistics Canada report confirms what many people feel. There have been more break ins recently. Overall, the crime rate was up 9.8 per cent in 2003. The number of violent crimes was up only slightly.

But the big concern of Kathy Jarvis of Mothers Against Drunk Driving is the rise in the number of people caught drunk behind the wheel. Last year there were 607 drunk driving charges. That 11 per cent increase gives this province the distinction of having the largest increase in drunk driving cases in Canada.


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Another tidbit of information for Billy_B ...

Island crime rate takes jump
WebPosted Jul 29 2004 06:27 AM ADT

CHARLOTTETOWN — P.E.I.'s crime rate is up sharply, fueled largely by an increase in the number of drunk driving cases and property crimes.

A Statistics Canada report confirms what many people feel. There have been more break ins recently. Overall, the crime rate was up 9.8 per cent in 2003. The number of violent crimes was up only slightly.

But the big concern of Kathy Jarvis of Mothers Against Drunk Driving is the rise in the number of people caught drunk behind the wheel. Last year there were 607 drunk driving charges. That 11 per cent increase gives this province the distinction of having the largest increase in drunk driving cases in Canada.


And I would have to think that the increase in home invasions would have a lot to do with the increase use of dilaudid and ocycotin and injection drug use across PEI and people needing to get their fixes. :(


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The largest increase in crime on PEI can be traced to the VLT's...I see hundreds of people who pump their entire earnings into them and then many resort to crime out of desperation.

A quick look at the machines show they are designed intentionally to be addictive...to appear "responsible" the PEI gov has put warnings on them about addiction and reminds people every 1/2 hour of how long they were playing.

These machines are a sick result of a sick society.

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I agree... I know people who can put $200 or more into one of those machines at one sitting.... my mom could do it easily if she wasn't watched... If I play them, I usually put in 2 bucks and play it out... but that's because I'm playing the game for the fun of it.. not because I could win anything..

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Well, I agree that VLT's are horrible active machines, and I think should be banned. My mom used to work at a bar and people could run tabs and get cash and she used to see people spend hundreds of dollars and have spouses calling looking for them, it is truly terrible. PC's should have banned them like Pat Mella said they would, but hey too much revenue for them, so they seem to be able to jusify the damage they do. Shameful

I deal with people who have drug addictions and am seeing an increase in crime. As per the news article on CBC last week, addiction to perscription meds is on the rise and more people are injecting them. But it is not cheap and therefore they break the law to get money for their drugs.


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